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Post by spanishmustangsuk on Dec 24, 2006 7:55:43 GMT 1
Wow! Knowing about the size of your stallions from a previous post,...not a good situation to have happen! The fact that the gelding, poor sod, was cornered in a stable was very unfortunate. I am sure you have by now considered placing him somewhere else, or taking him out first, so he is out of the way. If that had happened to me, with a 17hh stallion on a chiffney, hm...was there anyone else around?? Well, I know what works with my stallions, but i am not sure how much respect your new stallion has of you? I can get mine to back off by raising my arms and looking threatening, or throwing the end of the rope towards them...not sure that would have worked with your 17hh boy in fight mode. This is what I would have tried. I'd have tried to get his head around, hopefully followed by his back end, and reversed him out the door, firm enough for him to take notice of me, hitting/kicking him if I had to. Stallions in fight mode don't take prisoners, and when their adrenaline is pumping, you have to do something to get through to them I think in a situation like that, the end justifies the means for all concerened. Stallion fights are not pretty, and mature stallions will kill another horse they preceive a threat. They are very territorial, and having them in a confined space with another horse is a nightmare. I hope it all worked out OK for you, and I don't envy you having had to deal with that situation.
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Post by iammizz on Dec 24, 2006 9:12:19 GMT 1
janet,whenever i have read your posts i have found you to allways give good fair advice,i kinda guess why u have put this post up and feel sorry that you feel u have to defend your methods which in my opinion are are mostly good.I have a two year old who is gelded but stands at 14.2 at mo(im very small) and i have had probs with him in the past as regards to personal space,manners etc so i understand on a (smaller scale) how important it is to sort issues out as fairly and as quickly as poss.. And as for the pipe i knew how u meant u use it and as it happens a freind who has a stallion who is bargy as hell has just bought some insulation piping and so far it has worked. have a merry crimbo..x
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Post by mags on Dec 24, 2006 10:08:09 GMT 1
i kinda guess why u have put this post up and feel sorry that you feel u have to defend your methods which in my opinion are are mostly good. I would hope JG is abit above that
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Post by sharon on Dec 24, 2006 10:10:04 GMT 1
I think before tackling the incident in question you need to go right back to basics and groundwork with the horse, right back to basics.
In a one off emergency sitution (which you probably would not get into if the horse is fully used to being handled in a calm and correct way) you act as you need at the time whatever it takes to get yourself out of harms way. Who can say whether it is right or wrong, if you are still alive and unhurt then it was probably the right thing to do.
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Post by iammizz on Dec 24, 2006 10:12:03 GMT 1
what do u mean mags?dont get why u posted that,hmm..
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Post by mags on Dec 24, 2006 10:15:58 GMT 1
That came out bit wrong..not having good day
I meant that JG has shouldnt feel the need to post a thread for that reason(ie defend her self)I hope she posted it out odf interest not defence
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Post by jo on Dec 24, 2006 10:18:01 GMT 1
Would you have reversed him rapidly? I mean using whatever force needed including wop on the nose to get an inkling he's come 'back' to you and then be led forwards again?
If I was directly in front of him and the door is behind me or I am in the doorway I would ask if he could come out past me but if intent on kicking and reversing then would demand he go backwards and fast.
If he rears/boxes and is wearing the chifney I'm afraid I would put pressure on him while up there, waving the rope and even keeping pressure on it then release pressure when he's back with me again. If I had a whip/pipe handy I would be aiming to hit him below the knees or belly if reachable!
That bit of blue pipe, well if that's handy I would be aiming for his nose by now if he's not listening.
Thing is I guess you have to be thinking what is his way out. He wants the gelding you have to get through to him that's not gonna happen. You HAVE to be stronger and more dominant than him...how to do that when he's not listening? Where do you want him to go and leave that possible so he has a means of escape your pressure but I guess you have to make him realise that the gelding is YOURS and not his to have...just like food is never his, your space is never his etc etc
Is this a bit like the prey, pack and play drive in dogs...in order to get a dog to come back to you if it is in prey drive you have to go through pack drive first? or am I confusing something here?? ie in order for a horse to come back to being submissive you have to go through dominance first... just my thoughts..
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Post by iammizz on Dec 24, 2006 10:19:12 GMT 1
phew,got a bit worried then.lol here have some wine,its crimbo
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Post by iammizz on Dec 24, 2006 10:20:42 GMT 1
phew,got a bit worried then.lol here have some wine,its crimbo
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Post by iammizz on Dec 24, 2006 10:21:02 GMT 1
and yep maggot good thinkin..
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Post by jo on Dec 24, 2006 10:29:10 GMT 1
oh and forgot to say, something I've learnt myself (I am slow to lick and chew?)
is that to be able to tell if a horse has decided to be thoughtful of you, mindful of you, he will place his ear on you? If this horse was kicking and paying lots of attention behind him then you have to put enough pressure on him in front to get an ear forwards to be thinking you even have made an impression before you can then ask him to do what you want him to do. ie so it would be no good dragging forwards with a chiffney if his attentive ears are still behind him...no good wopping him with little pressure if his ear still hasn't flicked forwards...you would have to escalate pressure from the front/side.
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Post by blueali on Dec 24, 2006 10:33:34 GMT 1
I would do exactly what mags said and try to spin him round then quickly back him up and hopefully out of the barn as the chiffney apllies pressure that encourages this. Sideways is the least strongest way for a horse. I also would turn into a very scarey monster and would use anything to hand to whack his back end to get it round and away from the door.
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Post by jennyb on Dec 24, 2006 10:38:07 GMT 1
I would do exactly as Mags&Dan said. Basically anything and everything to get the situation under control. Gelding is in danger, stallion is in danger from kicking door to pieces - if I need to shout, scream, wallop the stallion then I will do it to get control and safety back. If the horse was trained in IH methods and would respond to squaring up, waving arms etc then great, use that first, but if not then you do whatever you can. Might get slated for this but quite often a sharp smack will shock a horse out of a tizzy like that, and those few seconds where the horse stops what it was doing, thinks "Wow, what was that?", you can use to regain control and praise the horse for now being obedient.
Emergency situations sometimes need different handling to everyday situations!
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Post by kirstie on Dec 24, 2006 10:49:40 GMT 1
i would do whatever it took to get the sod away from the geldings door
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Post by specialsparkle3 on Dec 24, 2006 11:03:02 GMT 1
If I was handling any stallion, especially a large , very strong one, I would automatically be carrying a stick in the event of something unexpected happening. Then I would do as Kirstie says-----------
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