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Post by Derek Clark on Dec 12, 2010 20:15:58 GMT 1
... and just to show I really haven't got anything against German riding when it's done well, try this one: www.youtube.com/watch?v=-5IKb5Cu2ok&NR=1Don't you think it looks rather French? When done well, all schools and methods are trying to achieve the same thing. Derek
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Post by jennyb on Dec 12, 2010 20:40:34 GMT 1
Hmm. Better than most, but I didn't like the tail swishing in the collected work. A sign of tension due to using the aids in opposition....?
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Post by Derek Clark on Dec 12, 2010 20:45:49 GMT 1
Could be, but that's where criticism starts to get difficult. It could be from a number of causes.
Derek
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Post by lisap on Dec 12, 2010 21:38:19 GMT 1
This lady, clemence Faivre, is yet another of these rather incredible french trainers who work their horses under saddle and at liberty. Now, being picky, I think the Piaffe is incorrect. There is a lot of bounce from the hind end, with weight on the forehand - the horse would find it easy to kick up its' heels rather than rear. However, that apart, ( and I suspect it's a training preference by Clemence rather than anything else), I think this vid shows many of the good things that we've been discussing. Elevation of neck, combined with power, combined with freedom. Enjoy!
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Post by Mellymoo on Dec 12, 2010 22:06:33 GMT 1
Loving that video Lisa, wow!! Wonder if Jos could learn to bow down so I could get on
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Post by Derek Clark on Dec 13, 2010 0:00:49 GMT 1
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Post by jen1 on Dec 13, 2010 0:11:59 GMT 1
rider looks a bit quackered if you ask me, but what an amazing horse,
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Post by jennyb on Dec 13, 2010 8:57:28 GMT 1
PMSL, that's brilliant!! ;D
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Post by rj on Dec 13, 2010 14:15:19 GMT 1
Ah, so that's what cluckical riding looks like....
Love the clip Lisa P put up. I watched all of that. Must admit that's more my ambition, than to win any dressage competition!
The German horse seemed to swish his tail at every contact by the spurs. I've noticed it before, and it seems a logical enough reaction. There was rather too much frothing at the mouth too.
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Post by lisap on Dec 13, 2010 17:52:37 GMT 1
I love the Duck horse from Derek's clip - this horse shows the most *perfect* piaffe as well as terre a terre. If you compare the piaffe from the duck horse (sorry, but it is a rather obvious description!), with the piaffe from Clemence Faivre's horse (from the vid clip I put up), then you can really easily see the difference between the two piaffes. Clemence's horse is bouncing his back end, with a lot of hock movement and elevation of his hindquarters. He looks like he could buck any second. Filipe Graciosa's horse (the duck horse) is loading his hindquarters, his forehand is really light, and you could imagine him levading, or pesading from this piaffe. This is one of the nicest piaffes I have seen for *ages*. Thank you Derek!
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Post by mandal on Dec 13, 2010 18:52:53 GMT 1
I think it's a chicken though LisaP. ;D It has a comb. Pedant strikes again. I can clearly see the difference in the two piaffes. The Duck/chick horse looks fab to me tbh. Even though he is concentrating and working hard he doesn't look tense or to be struggling at all to me. May I ask which move is the terre-a-terre?
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Post by Derek Clark on Dec 13, 2010 20:53:03 GMT 1
Terre-à-terre ("from the ground to the ground", in French) is the two-beat canter-type movement near the very beginning. The horse springs alternately from the two hind legs to the two forelegs and so on. It's an alternative way (to the piaffe) of adjusting the balance of the horse towards the rear, shortening the base of support and building energy which can then be released, for example, in a leap. Out of tradition, some of the schools prefer to use the piaffe and some of them prefer terre-à-terre but they are both worthy of study if for no other reason than this: any horse can do either of them if excited, so it's useful to know how to sit on and control it, lol! Derek
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Post by Derek Clark on Dec 13, 2010 21:07:44 GMT 1
Talking of terre-à-terre, here's another of my favourite clips which includes a mix of terre-à-terre, canter in place and canter backwards performed on another Akhal Teke. This stuff is what's known as 'fantasy equitation'. It's not everyone's cup of tea because many people imagine it has to be forced but in fact the only way to do it is to give the horse complete freedom and not knock him off balance. Note how relaxed the reins are throughout the clip. This really takes some doing! www.youtube.com/watch?v=kDOqu1wr534Derek
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Post by jennyb on Dec 13, 2010 21:16:24 GMT 1
Sitting a terre a terre is easier than it looks. We were working on walk/canter transitions the other week, and something spooked Gazdag just as I asked for one, and he erupted into a frantic terre a terre. I lost both stirrups and nearly got bounced off! It was rather disconcerting, I didn't know what to do to stop it - couldn't put leg on in case he got worse, couldn't take up the rein in case he went up. So I resorted to the good old Pony Club method of growling "Bl00dy stop it!!!" It worked, phew.... ;D
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Post by wabuska on Dec 13, 2010 21:19:13 GMT 1
Wow... bit disturbed by the surface clatter, but incredible accomplishment. How lost is a horse's natural grace and spirit in all this? From the first video of the bay to this one, I'm left wondering.
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