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Post by gem on Jul 20, 2007 23:00:03 GMT 1
Do we have enough homes for the offers made to buy?
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Post by melissa on Jul 20, 2007 23:39:20 GMT 1
hi gem yes i think we do!
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Post by iwillbuy on Jul 21, 2007 7:03:20 GMT 1
god no definately not arguing i should of put it better i did like le fun, but my goal is not to home one for life but to save many more than one buy rescuing the ones that could move on to a new home and hopefully going over 5 or 6 times a year and making it long term, and hopefully making a difference to these horses melissa you are doing a great job but you must check things this side to make sure the horses are going to a suitable home i just worry that as soon as the offer of a free horse came up people became interested,
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Post by monet on Jul 21, 2007 7:37:50 GMT 1
Thats better put iwillbuy..i apologise if i got the wrong end of the stick
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Post by sarahfox on Jul 21, 2007 7:48:35 GMT 1
Hi iwillbuy, I understand where you're coming from!We are doing all we can to make sure that anybody offering to take a horse will be able to give it a good lasting home.One potential problem that we have thought of that would affect us all is ,what would happen if the horses that come over have physical/psychological problems that prevent them from being riding horses,after all we know very little about them and they are destined for slaughter,possibly for a reason,who knows?therefore we are only accepting homes from experienced horsepeople who are prepared to accept that they may only be getting a companion out of the deal.Hopefully that won't be the case,and at least some of the horses will be able to go on and do other things,but we have to be prepared for the worst scenario! I think that yours is a great idea,and obviously you will have to pick and choose based on the grounds of rehab/rehoming possibilities,I would certainly be interested in getting involved with you on this if you go ahead,but this is more of a long term project which presumably will involve travelling over and selecting suitable horses,I hope you do it and I have a rehab center in the midlands,so if I can be of any assistance,as long as its not either choosing or rehoming the horses please let me know,couldn't get involved with those sides as am far too soppy,I'm afraid!!!
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Post by iwillbuy on Jul 21, 2007 8:48:01 GMT 1
i just think the same basis should apply to re-homing the horses from france as if you would from a rescue centre in england homechecks are a must to make sure things are in place for these horses this is just a forum and people could be saying anything you must make sure they have the facilities and money in place to care for these horses long term as i am assuming the ones being re-homed are for life, this is a long term commitment and yes people will get a pat on the back for taking a horse but what will happen in the cold light of day faced with a horse that may have long term issues i just think it is best for these horses if to be saved have a safe enviroment to go to
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Post by melissa on Jul 21, 2007 8:49:48 GMT 1
iwillbuy - fully appreciate what you say - will do absolute best to make sure of this. of the people that have offered they are all experienced as far as i can see and are well known on this forum. any ideas of how we can be sure?
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Post by LynnG on Jul 21, 2007 9:10:41 GMT 1
Well I would have loved to have taken an in foal mare/foal at foot but sadly my YO is not up for any horses that come over from abroad..never mind..we have just put in an offer for a place of our own..so everyone please keep their fingers crossed for us. So I wondered if this could possibly be done again as I am sure there may be folks who are in a position to help at a later date?
iwillbuy...
I too think yours is a great idea..if we manage to buy the farm we have our eye on then I would love to become part of what you would be doing..
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Post by dizzy on Jul 21, 2007 9:14:03 GMT 1
As people are buying these horses themselves surely it is no different to any private sale? How can anyone do homechecks and dictate whether people can or can't buy??
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Post by jl on Jul 21, 2007 10:19:48 GMT 1
Iwillbuy, id also love to take them all and keep them for ever but having 4 already 5 with Le fun i cannot do this. i for some time wanted to do this and i have now started with Le Fun, i will be doing exactly as you say. i have a couple of friends who are also looking to do this so between us we will be taking some numbers from Fancie bringing them home and re homing after rehab. i have been offered 3 times to sell La Fun but I'm not willing to let her go as she is and i want her to be re homed locally too also with a contract of 1st refusal so as i always know where she is, anything unsaleable will go out to be a companion horse on contract. I have put my savings into this and it is risky but i want to help. i don't expect to profit but if i can break even thats another one i can rescue each time. I have a bowen and reekie therapist who's will be working with my horses too now ;D
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Post by gillmcg on Jul 21, 2007 11:05:07 GMT 1
When I started this I just had the idea that it might raise awareness, a couple of these horses could be rehomed in the UK maybe to be ambassadors for their kin on mainland Europe. I think that a long term plan to do this on a regular basis might just be sending the wrong messages to dealers over here. I'm just beginning to get a bit uncomfortable with the way this is going. Obviously it's ENTIRELY up to individuals and I've got no right or inclination to tell ANYBODY what they can or can't do.....just want people to sit back, have a cup of tea and think deeply about this even if you think you have already. Is it realistic to expect to 'break-even' when you're running a rescue/rehab centre jl?? Many are ex-ridden/driven working horses who have probably been sold on because they have problems and these can only have been made worse by their experiences. We don't know their individual histories. The mares are probably breeders from the meat trade who are 'past their sell by date' and not likely to produce more foals or will start to run up vet bills. Most of these have probably only had basic handling (using that term loosely as it undoubtedly wasn't IH kind of handling) and certainly won't have been started to ride..... Monet has many many ponies requiring long term foster homes as I am sure do EMW and the many other wonderful centres in the UK. Is the saying, charity begins at home, relevant here maybe? Trying to be objective rather than emotive here and hope no-one gets upset with me .
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Post by megnum on Jul 21, 2007 11:19:44 GMT 1
I am trying really hard to persuade my mum to let me take the bay mare (10yrs) with foal at foot but so far she says the cost of keeping is going to be too much so the chance is slim but I will keep trying
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Post by LynnG on Jul 21, 2007 11:19:49 GMT 1
Gill..I for one think that your post is a very valid one and it doesnt upst me..on the contrary it does make one stop and think. There is too much suffering going on..abroad and on our doorstep..it is so hard to choose which animals to help.. it might send the wrong message to the dealers over there..and saving ones from here might send the wrong message too. All of the horses are suffering whilst they are allowed to get away with transporting them as they do and the horrible way in which they are treated. I think you gave a very good objective post.
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Post by Donnalex on Jul 21, 2007 12:33:00 GMT 1
I think the saying 'charity begins at home' is very apt here. There are loads of very needy cases here and they dont have to travel accross the water to get to a new home. I dont want to sound like a misery guts but really what will be achieved? The horses will have more days in transit than they would to be slaughtered while British ponies go abroad to be slaughtered or are slaughtered to go abroad. Its as broad as long really except the French horses have to endure yet more travelling. A better solution MIGHT be for everyone who wants to rescue a horse to take one in either from an auction or from a sanctuary. This would free up sanctuary places thus enabling them to take in new cases. But some of the interest here has to be for financial gain. The future prospects will be worth money soon, and OWNING them rather than LOANING a sanctuary horse is the motivation for some of the prospective owners clamouring to get a new horse on the cheap. I know this sounds really cynical but I know that natalia for one is a dealer who likes a project to bring on and sell. There will be others too. There is nothing rong with this IF PEOPLE ARE UPFRONT ABOUT IT. Zoeshiloh left this DG under a great black cloud that started out on a quite similar basis, leaving people feeling they have been done.Or am I mistaken? Please dont jump down my throat, Im speaking as I see what could happen. If people are getting a horse bought for them, they should be willing to sign an agreement stating that the horse is on pemanent loan, have it identichipped, and are not able to sell or in any way rehome it without prior consentfrom the person who pays for it. The alternative could end up being a timebomb that shuts down the DG for good.
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Post by smonebull on Jul 21, 2007 12:59:37 GMT 1
how about those of us that are doing it because it feels right..and its something our heart is telling us to do? why is it always about money, why cant it be because we are good charitable people? I dont want to make a quick buck....for all i know this rescue horse I am bringing over has navicular...windsucks...will never live more than a few months because it has ragwort poisoning......anything. I cn still guarantee that its days with me will be better than it has now, and the journey it makes to me will be easy, and it will be cared for the whole way, much better than a long cramped journey to an abbattoir then a bullet in the head.
Yes I will use the horse but not for profit...more as an advertising campaign. Anyway thats me so please dont tar me with the 'profit' brush. Please dont judge and speculate. We are doing this off our own backs, for a cause that will hopefully benefit animals going to slaughter, not only in france, spain and italy but here too.
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