Persianhorse
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Post by Persianhorse on Dec 21, 2005 1:15:01 GMT 1
The main point is to stay out of the kicking area. I am sure you know about the blind spot of the horse,going round the back is in the blind spot therefor it is dangerous,going under the lead rope is dangerous too. Going under the belly I am totally against it never advise it to others. We try to turn them if it is possible which mostly is possible.
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Post by kas on Dec 21, 2005 9:54:09 GMT 1
Yes Persianhorse, you can teach your horses to turn. But sometimes you will have to pass in front of or behind them. So you also teach them to become used to you "changing eyes" and going through the blind spot. You also to be fair to the horse do nothing without warning, which is why you would put a hand on them etc. That makes sense doesn't it?
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Post by Francis Burton on Dec 21, 2005 11:31:42 GMT 1
What about handling horses who are blind? Every spot is a blind spot for them! Too dangerous to handle, or...?
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Post by anon on Dec 21, 2005 11:36:57 GMT 1
Or train them so they get used to you being anywhere - use touch and voice so that they are never startled. Same as any horse, really - but even more consideration to the horse.
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Post by wildrover on Dec 21, 2005 12:49:13 GMT 1
Right on Persian ....
Ya know, on this thread I have been called an 'arrogant aloof egotistical patronising opinionated annoying irritating know it all, know nothing inexperienced fact twisting would be horse owning mysoginist jerk'.!
I think it only fair I should respond and put the record straight ......
The suggestion that I am a would be horse owner is potentially incorrect.
Right ........ sorted......
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Post by mandal on Dec 21, 2005 13:20:12 GMT 1
I go behind mine all the time but I ensure they know where I am and I don't go really close unless I'm doing tail etc. I prefer to go behind when they are tied, I feel more vulnerable going under neck and lead rope. I personally would not go under belly. I know mine well and they know me and are used to my ways. I would still go behind a strange horse but give it a wide berth!
I've been following this thread but haven't plucked the courage to post till now!
I've just deleted what I was going to say---------I'm a COWARD!!!!!!
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Post by chrissiew on Dec 21, 2005 13:26:10 GMT 1
Blimey, I have only just read this thread and because its so long, jumped from the first page to the last! Now I am going to have to read it all as something has obviously been going on in between! As to the right or wrongs of the question - I've been bitten and kicked by my horse, so both ends are dangerous and the middle (she cow kicked me once and has a long neck !!! ;D ;D). Only thing I would say is that I have found the closer and more contact I have with her, the less likely it is that I am in a position for her to kick or bite, as if you are tighter into them, they don't have the reach. Must add that all this happened when she was young and I first had her, 6 years on and lots of handling later, she is fine and I don't worry at all moving around her. With strange horses, I don't think there can be a firm written rule, as it must be judged on a case by case basis. Some kick, some bite, some paw, some barge! Horses are unpredictable and any person handling strange horses must be aware of the signals they are giving and act accordingly. As for the riding school situation, one would hope that a responsible set up would either a) have horses without these vices or b) keep any that do under tighter control when mixing with the public. Now back to the rest of this thread to see why what seemed a perfectly reasonable and simple question has got everyone all fired up!
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BeTheBest
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Post by BeTheBest on Dec 21, 2005 13:29:34 GMT 1
erm yeah only read the 1st page BUT i trust my guy 100% I dont care what any of you say about shouldnt trust 100% cos I do! He is such a sweetie i can jump on him bare back and slide down his bum if i so choose... i try to refrain myself . But seriously he is a right fidget but would never ever kick out or bite me.
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BeTheBest
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Post by BeTheBest on Dec 21, 2005 14:01:31 GMT 1
wow just read whole thread!!! to exhausted to make further comments
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Post by wildrover on Dec 21, 2005 14:06:00 GMT 1
mandal - you go right ahead and say what you think .... aint no need to delete nothin...
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Post by kas on Dec 21, 2005 19:07:34 GMT 1
I can't believe this thread is still going! We seem to be talking mostly about working around horses that are tied up. Does anyone else work in close with them when they are moving? I "long line" using a 12ft line tied in a loop on the halter. It's a handy exercise to practise things like shoulder in etc on the ground. Obviously I'm quite close to the horse, and will change eyes by passing behind them, but they know I'm there from the contact down the rope and me nattering to them (which isn't essential, but I've got nobody else to talk to). I would hope to have them stop from my energy, but if they don't pick that up straightaway they know a rub on their bum is a request to stop. People will now probably start to speculate on what happens if I drop the rope, or somehow the rope ends up loose and touching round their hocks. The answer is that nothing happens. Ropes all around their legs and body, even being stood on, are just part of their lives.
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Post by laura on Dec 21, 2005 21:44:20 GMT 1
ah well Kas ....... now you are changing the parameters ;D .......... MOVING and being close You do mention however something I know all sliversand folk for def ;D do with horse stood still ........ twirling ropes around, over and under horses stood both tied and loose. The aim being not a muscle is twitched .... yet said horse will move as the merest lift of the body language !!!!! .... As you say ... part of life in general therefore nothing to spook at. ....They are used to moving objects coming into contact. mandal .... no criticism intended ;D .. but I am interested as to why you avoid the back end unless dealing with tail ? If horse is safe enough to do it occasionally then surely the more you do it the less of a "deal" it is when you have to ? persian horse ...... yes we all do know about the blind spot behind a horse .... but I an really really sure that we do not actually disappear form horses vision / awareness when we move form one side to another. I credit the horse with more awareness and learning / memory than to think he "forgets" we are there as we move smoothly form one side to another. I would surmise that if a horse kicks out at a person moving behind him he actually means it and knows exactly where person is ! It is possible to turn horses with handlers feet staying still when loose but I think the situation mentioned by the OP is when horse is tied up as it would be if the handler is being tested to BHS guidelines.
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Post by mandal on Dec 21, 2005 22:00:35 GMT 1
Laura no offense. I obviously didn't make myself clear. I don't avoid the back end but I don't tend to hang about there unless I'm doing something specific!
I'm sure I should of kept quiet!!!!!!!!!! I will have to learn to write exactly what I mean--I find it quite hard sometimes!
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Post by circusdancer on Dec 21, 2005 22:11:13 GMT 1
Right on Persian .... Ya know, on this thread I have been called an 'arrogant aloof egotistical patronising opinionated annoying irritating know it all, know nothing inexperienced fact twisting would be horse owning mysoginist jerk'.! I think it only fair I should respond and put the record straight ...... The suggestion that I am a would be horse owner is potentially incorrect. Right ........ sorted...... Soz Rover for my part in rattling your cage but I did say I didn't think you were a misogynist and who called you a jerk? Let me at 'em!
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Post by wildrover on Dec 21, 2005 22:17:45 GMT 1
Soz Circus? Really? hmmmm just how soz are you? ... I mean ...... ya know .. a mans feelings and all that ... might need more than just a word.... ya know ..... actions speaking louder than words an all that .....
As for me being a 'arrogant aloof egotistical patronising opinionated annoying irritating know it all, know nothing inexperienced fact twisting would be horse owning mysoginist jerk......
well, I did say that the horse owner bit was potentially incorrect .. the rest .... debateable really ... I'd be inclinded to agree myself but if I agree I get collared for twisting the facts ... cant have that now can we.....
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