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Post by shadowofachance on Aug 20, 2009 15:51:02 GMT 1
Sure... here is the info Jackie gave me
Straight magnesium oxide - from metabolic horse TopSpec comprehensive unmolassed beet pulp - Speedi beet plenty of soaked hay - soaked for min 12 hours
I have weight taped her to be 408kg so I am feeding according that.
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Post by Sam C on Aug 20, 2009 16:27:39 GMT 1
Right, I gather she wasn't on the mag ox before?
Has she been blood tested at any point to check her insulin level? It won't change how you're treating her in terms of diet, but if you can test now while there should be nothing to raise it, you'll get an idea of how severe the IR is (or not, hopefully!), and a reliable baseline figure to compare to in future, for example if you reintroduce grass to the diet. The idea being you then test after grazing to see how the horse really reacts. It's expensive but very useful if you can run to it.
There are also a couple of drugs available to treat IR that seem to have mixed results. Metformin did nothing for my mare, in fact her insulin just kept increasing, but she had been having problems for five years at that point. Andy Durham at Liphook, who consulted with my vet over the phone, reckons the earlier you get them started on the medication, the better chance it'll have some effect.
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Post by shadowofachance on Aug 21, 2009 12:08:30 GMT 1
No she was on just hay and a handful of hifi lite to hide the bute. My vet didn't want her on anything else.
I have spoken to two vets now about IR and they have both said that she doesn't have any of the symptoms and don't think it is necessary to test for it.
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Post by Susan on Aug 21, 2009 12:37:30 GMT 1
I think the last trim has really helped. I thought she would be really sore from the severe trim and exposed tisue but she is back to her normal (pre lami) bolshy self! Do you think the last trim maybe released pressure hence her being more comfortable? Def walking better than she has been. Getting very bored in the stable - destroying it and bashing me around a bit just to make sure I understand! speak to June as she had a similar trim to her sever lam shettie.. and from what I recall it worked
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Post by shadowofachance on Aug 21, 2009 12:49:34 GMT 1
Does anyone know how long it takes for the exposed blo*dy tissue to harden off? I am still doing the sugar / iodine paste once a day. The colour is less vibrant now.
Waiting for the vet to get back to me - have been doing it since last Thurday.
She has her hooves picked out and sprayed with duphacycline aerosol. I am trying to keep everything as clean as possible but she trashes her stable. I do a full muckout twice a day but it is difficult with her being in 24/7 to keep it as "spotless" as I would like.
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Post by jill on Aug 21, 2009 13:30:31 GMT 1
Can you organise a second stable next door? I find that box rest is only manageable bedding wise if you can have a night box and a day box, so they get chance to air and dry out a bit, but if you are at livery that would be expensive.
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Post by shadowofachance on Aug 21, 2009 13:50:35 GMT 1
Hi Jill, I do have two stables but one is next door to a gelding and this would stress her out as she doesn't like him very much.
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Post by Karon on Aug 21, 2009 14:32:07 GMT 1
Could you put her in there during the day when the gelding is out, then switch to her own stable at night?
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Post by shadowofachance on Aug 21, 2009 14:38:07 GMT 1
Problem is he doesn't have a routine - some days in for a few hours then out for days then could spend a week in a night.
Will have a chat with them next time they are down see if they could let me know when he is coming in.
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Post by Sam C on Aug 21, 2009 14:39:37 GMT 1
Does anyone know how long it takes for the exposed blo*dy tissue to harden off? I am still doing the sugar / iodine paste once a day. The colour is less vibrant now. Depends how much they took off. Two of mine had what I would describe as a half hoof wall resection and it took at least a couple of weeks for it to start hardening up, which only happened after I stopped washing the wounds. Check with your vet on the sugar & iodine - I had to clean daily for 4 days, then every three days for two weeks. Hope she's still feeling well.
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Post by mandal on Aug 21, 2009 14:41:15 GMT 1
Does anyone know how long it takes for the exposed blo*dy tissue to harden off? I am still doing the sugar / iodine paste once a day. The colour is less vibrant now. Bit gruesome when the farrier took the toes back exposing the blood y tissue but Scarlet was a star. . Is this the open tissue you mean? I think this was quite radical but i don't think it will 'grow over' it will I think grow down and out as her hoof grows... that's my best guess if this is the tissue you mean. Your Vet and or Farrier should be able to give you a good idea. If you changed her diet on Sunday it sounds like that has probably been a major influence as well on her improvement. Here's to continued healing and progress.
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Post by basilhorse on Aug 21, 2009 14:48:03 GMT 1
Sure... here is the info Jackie gave me Straight magnesium oxide - from metabolic horse TopSpec comprehensive unmolassed beet pulp - Speedi beet plenty of soaked hay - soaked for min 12 hours I have weight taped her to be 408kg so I am feeding according that. Is she overweight? because if she is then I think you'll be feeding too much by feeding by her current weight. Obviously ignore me if she's not overweight LOL.
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Post by shadowofachance on Aug 21, 2009 14:48:20 GMT 1
Yes the open tissue - the farrier rasped the foot at the toe until it was exposed. Was bloo*y and soft. Still waiting for the vet to get to me so will continue with sugar/iodine until she gets back to me. The second vet said I will see it change and harden - it has but so worried about infection I want to make 100% sure I can stop.
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Post by mandal on Aug 21, 2009 15:03:57 GMT 1
Sam will be able to explain it better as I've never had to deal with a resection or rasping back to the blood supply. I as I said don't believe it will grow over as in horn cover it again but it may well dry out and harden and form a seal as it were. I'd continue till the vet says stop to be on the safe side.
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Post by shadowofachance on Aug 21, 2009 15:07:52 GMT 1
ok thnks Mandal, would rather be OTT when it comes to possible infections.
BH she is 15hh Cob x, I can see every rib and she has no bum due to muscle wastage. So I am feeding according to her weight tape weight. She is super skinny - I hope this is right. What do you think?
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