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Post by milo on Oct 19, 2008 17:01:37 GMT 1
i went to the grange last night too, spent too much money on dvds, books etc and a new hoodie,loved the demo, and the way monty worked with all the horses,kelly did some loading , and i thought it was excellent idea to walk them over the wood on the ground first,i really enjoyed watching blue and the way he reacted with monty,i thought the first horse although 5 yr old was still very quiet for an unhandled 5 yr old,poor old jasmine obviously had alot of issues with a rider and although she had a problem with bucking she didnt buck once during the demo, i did enjoy it though and its given me plenty to think about, the whole thing went very fast and before you knew it it was 11 0'clock,got home about 1 0'clock in the morning,very tired but happy.
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Post by yan on Oct 19, 2008 22:42:46 GMT 1
I have commented on The Grange demo on the Message from Monty thread.In a nutshell it was an awe inspiring Demo.Looking forward to the May masterclass.
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Post by emy on Oct 19, 2008 23:25:10 GMT 1
I went to the grange in okehampton last night too.Armed with my sons simsons sleeping bag and a flask of tea,we watched this years demo which was fantastic. I wondered if I would get the same out of this demo,as I went to the Hands in Clevedon last year and was blown away by techniques I saw. What I gained from this demo was more subtle than the first time I saw Monty and Kelly work. I noticed that there was not over the top praise when a horse behaved in a way that was wanted by the demontrators.Instead the praise was just allowing the horse to be 'let in' to their space-and relief from the dualy,which seemed to be plenty for the horses involved.It was a kind of 'if your with me,you are comfortable,if you are not with me,naturaly you will want to be,if that makes sense.Also what I noticed was the constasnt smooth tone and movements from Monty during his demos.It was so consistent and steady.These were my revalations from this years demo and I will try to carry those through into my work with my horses. I was so moved by the horse Blue in particular,in fact I was crying by the end.It was a true testiment to the non violent approach with horses that was truely beautiful to watch. It was fantastic and I realy look foward to putting these things into action and to next years demo! Brilliant guys!!
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Post by suewhitmore on Oct 26, 2008 1:42:24 GMT 1
Addington. Ace! Took two non-horsey people and it blew them away.
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Post by lilaclomax on Oct 26, 2008 9:24:42 GMT 1
I took Shadow to Addington but he was lame when he was trotted up so not used (just my luck!) But.. although I didn't stay all day it was so interesting to meet Kelly and Monty and see the selection process and all of the horses and their owners beforehand and to get the background history. I will definately be going to Kelly's next tour and I am going to be using Julia in the meantime to help start Shadow when he is sound again! If you have not had chance to go yet it is one I would recommend for horse owners and the general public
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Post by verne on Oct 26, 2008 9:42:06 GMT 1
Helper at Addington last night prob the best demo i've seen due to the horses used. First Jazz a sec d for starting (ive got a sec d who i started myself) so that was great to see the fact they dont really seem to buck! mine only did one with first saddle (jazz didnt) & they all seem to take to first rider quite sweetly. Does anyone know his breeding? just he looked like my Saffy to! Also loved the showjumper as he jumps just like Gally did who's now retired due to arthritus (sp) i just do dressage/showing on him but hubby used to SJ him,so watching the techniques they used was interesting plus so sad how such a nice talented horse had been treated previously makes me wonder if this (using electric prods) was the route cause behind Gals way of going...... To see the bucker finally accept someone on his back & tim thought he'd prob sat 2 maybe 3 of them! LOL Heidi is just more talented than him! ;D. So big thanks again to all the team & really enjoyed a different content this time.
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Post by Louise C on Oct 26, 2008 20:18:14 GMT 1
I took 3 people who had never seen Monty before and they really enjoyed themselves - Jazz was just gorgeous and I love Monty's running commentary on why they should be worried about the saddle going on - my uncle told me it was a wolf etc...... always cracks me up!
Lilaclomax what a shame about Shadow - but Julia is just great anyway so will look forward to progress reports!
I really felt for the poor electrified horse - he was clearly terrified of sticks or anything that looked like it but even Heidi had a few problems last night and had to be taped up!!! Thought Adrian was just the greatest rider - so full of confidence and quiet with the horses.
The bucker I thought was really interesting as it had just had one piece of vital schooling left out - turning the horse loose with the saddle on - when Monty did that he really let rip. But by the time Adrian got on him he was absolutely fine and very happy.
A great Demo - thanks team!!!!
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Post by hdonna on Oct 26, 2008 20:31:20 GMT 1
I had a great time last night. great catching up with Adam who I met about 7yrs ago and not seen since. Monty was great and all horses were in great condittion
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Post by LuckyRed on Oct 27, 2008 10:44:56 GMT 1
I went to Addington and agree, it was the best I've seen. LouiseC has pretty much covered it - the horses were all in beautiful condition and it was really good to see the work with the huge warmblood who had been prodded with an electic cattle-prod to get him to jump - and also good to see Monty say that it would take more than the time allowed to work with Rembrandts phobia of sticks - sometimes it is easy to get the impression that Monty can fix all problems in 45 mins.
Well done to Monty and Kelly - a brilliant demonstation! And nice to meet louiseC and Suewhitmore - albeit briefly!
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Post by Furiey on Oct 27, 2008 22:44:20 GMT 1
I also went to Addington. What I really liked was that the horses were a real challenge and you could hear Monty working out what to do next, showing it was not formulaic but needed thought for the individual circumstances and reactions (Intelligent horsemanship again Kelly!). It also showed that a demo is not a magical quick fix, and it was clear (particularly with electric prodded horse) that Monty was working out what he could do in the space of time he had in the demo and that it was only a starting point for so much more. The "normal" starter made a really good counterpoint to the "remedial" case.
Really loved it, so did my Mum.
Didn't get the chance to speak to Louise though, she was already deep in conversation every time I saw her, and only saw Sue briefly when she was talking to Kelly.
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Post by Louise C on Oct 27, 2008 23:45:05 GMT 1
Sorry Furiey - I was seeing tons of people - just muscle up next time!!
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Post by LuckyRed on Oct 28, 2008 10:30:48 GMT 1
It was definately a bit of a DG get together - the friends I went with thought I knew everyone there!
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Post by Louise C on Oct 28, 2008 16:09:39 GMT 1
It was a bit like that Sarah - only half the time we didn't even know what the other looked like did we?!!!!
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Post by Lynsey on Oct 28, 2008 22:39:44 GMT 1
I was at Addington as well and it was a great demo (and warm, which is a bonus . Probably the quickest loader I have ever seen. He was wanting to race into the box. I really enjoyed the starter who just needed to be let loose to work through the feeling of the saddle and Monty explained it all well. It was the first time I had been with my (non horsey) other half, when I wasn't a volunteer and got to hear his views on it. He was really blown away with what was acheived and came away raving about what a fantastic approach it all was. He is dead keen to learn to ride now! Just need to find somewhere that will accomodate a 6 foot 6er!
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Post by Catrin on Oct 31, 2008 14:58:11 GMT 1
I must have been the only one at Rodbaston then! It was very cold, so perhaps everyone else is still thawing out.
The first horse was a bad loader, that Kelly worked with. Such a bad loader that the owner had ridden for 3 1/2 hours to get to the demo.
Kelly had the owner, a teenage girl, doing some of the work too, which was good for her and for the audience - it isn't only Monty and Kelly who can do these things. Kelly explained very carefully to the audience her rationale, how to hold the line correctly and exactly how to apply pressure. Kelly and Hayley, the owner, both worked the horse through poles and on the see-saw bridge (flat on the ground.) It was wonderful to see the look of amazement on Hayley's face when she realised that she had got her horse to stand on the bridge just where she wanted. Kelly started to work him crossing over the ramp from the side, well that's what he expected, but when Kelly did a nifty left turn, suddenly our reluctant loader had followed her in the trailer. Kelly backed him out and started to load him up the ramp and with the front ramp open, so he came out forwards this time.
It wasn't long before Hayley loaded him too and could really believe that she wouldn't have to ride for 3 1/2 hours through the snow to get home.
The starter was a stunning black and white horse, that calmly complied with Monty's demands. This one looked as if she'd be easy, until Monty turned her loose with the saddle on. Adrien didn't faint at the size of the broncs, but Monty told the owners they had a very valuable horse. If they wanted her to have a new career, they could expect around $43,000 if they put her for sale as a potential rodeo horse. Once she got the broncking out of the way, she longreined fine and soon had Adrien on board.
Monty had another bucking horse to change later, who wouldn't stand still for mounting. The owner had difficulty getting on, and if she succeeded, she was soon deposited on the floor. After despooking work, Adrien showed that she had learned to stand still and could now walk around happily. The horse then srood stock still while the rider got on. In front of hundreds of anxious strangers, it must have been the most relaxed ride she ever had had on her horse.
A 17 hand warmblood, that was unhandleable on the ground, tried to knock Monty over a few times, but soon relaxed and complied after Monty moved him around. The owners who had never been able to lead him without feeling vulnerable got back a much happier horse and received some more help with leading him, once they left the arena.
The owner of the final loader had had a three hour ride earlier in the day. This one surprised Monty as it backed up to a very light touch. He then showed the owners how 'setting up the right situation' would help the horse trust enough to go in the box - which of course it did, several times more.
Looking forward to Myerscough College now, more interesting horses to learn from and no matter how deep the snow, it should be warm.
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