hope
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Post by hope on Nov 28, 2007 21:37:25 GMT 1
Many thanks for your advice re. the joint products Jackie
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Post by highlanderpony2002 on Nov 28, 2007 22:07:12 GMT 1
Thank you I will look into the buckeye gro and win
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Post by chrissiew on Nov 29, 2007 14:14:35 GMT 1
Hi Jackie
Quick question (well hopefully!). Minnie is currently on box rest for a possible annular ligament strain. She had a scan, but vet still a bit uncertain as to whether its just a sprain or something more as no obvious tears or anything, but fair amount of inflammation/swelling. She's on bute for the next week or so and nutritionally I have her on MSM/Cortaflex/linseed/Silver Lining Kidney herbs and Foot relief/Yeasacc/mag ox/salt/hi fi lite/speedibeet/benevit/TS Cool & Condition cubes (think that's everything!!!!)
Just wondered if the Bosweilla would be a good addition once the bute has finished, or if this would be disguise anything when she goes back for her vet check in a month. If not sound then, we are looking at another min 2 months box rest! I don't want to put her on anything that may disguise the problem or would the Bosweilla just help with the inflammation generally, but not disguise anything?
Have your order form in front of me now, but wanted to check before posting it off.
Many thanks Chrissie
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Post by JackieJATaylor on Nov 29, 2007 15:35:45 GMT 1
Yes, it could well mask a problem, so I would not use it until you had a diagnosis.
You also need to sit down with a calculator and rationalise your diet I think - I am not sure what is in 'Foot relief' but you may be doubling up on some vits or mins with Benevit and C&C aswell.
Jackie
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Post by chrissiew on Nov 29, 2007 15:49:18 GMT 1
Thanks Jackie, I won't put her on the Boswellia for now then.
The foot relief is just herbs, no actual added vits and mins so shouldn't be a problem and I was under the impression that C&C don't have any added vits and mins either, as it is designed to complement the balancer, but will definitely check.
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miggy
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Post by miggy on Nov 29, 2007 20:08:16 GMT 1
Hi Jackie, sorry if this is a stupid question but would ALL horses benefit from having mag ox in their diet ? and also should it be used all year round or just when the Spring grass is coming through ?
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Post by JackieJATaylor on Nov 30, 2007 16:05:12 GMT 1
All horses need their minimum daily requirement of several grams of magnesium every single day of the year - the only question is are they getting it or not?? The only way to find out for sure, and to find out exactly how much they need if they are short, is to assess their whole diet based on hay/grass analyses.
Failing that there are several factors we can use to make an educated guess - are they a leisure horse being fed primarily high calcium feeds rather than grain? Do they have metabolic problems or stressful lives that might increase their magnesium requirements? Are they showing symptoms which could well be related to magnesium deficiency? Do these dymptoms respond to magnesium supplementation? And are they grazing spring grass which is likely to be high in potassium?
Under all the above circumstances I believe it is sound practice to feed a low level of magnesium like 1g/100g bodyweight 'just in case' if analysis is not possible. I do not agree with large amounts of magnesium being fed long term without dietary analysis.
Jackie
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miggy
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Post by miggy on Nov 30, 2007 19:25:28 GMT 1
Thanks Jackie, i will order some from you on Monday !!!
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Post by jen1 on Dec 1, 2007 0:58:42 GMT 1
hi jackie,i have been told that a very well linseed supplement would contain aluminium, (worked out by a brainy box)that added to one of the pellet mixes, could cataphoric, so now even the feed i thought was safe is turning into a night mare as well as being impossible to get hold of, so what now? how do you find out if it contains enough to be toxic,i was using the pellet feed instead of the one that has mag sulphate in, im sure you can guess, which feed im on about,nearly all of mine have the linseed,
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Post by jen1 on Dec 1, 2007 1:02:05 GMT 1
mm ive just read your reply to miggy about mag, i have 1 very metabolic horse, shire cross, i give his a 50 ml scoop of mag everyday ,ive been told that this was too much, having been told prior , from another person that this is the amount he needs, he is about 16,3hh and very heavy,pic in my do dar above right,lol
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Post by gem on Dec 1, 2007 22:19:11 GMT 1
Hi Jackie - could do with a hand Sky is now living out she's having two feeds of linseed and red bag ss grass nuts with alpha but shes lost loads of weight - problem is I cant up her feed quantity wise as diesel pushes her off her feed - i need to feed her something in small quantities that will keep her weight on and condition - any ideas?
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Post by JackieJATaylor on Dec 2, 2007 19:24:13 GMT 1
Jen I can't understand your question I am afraid - to my knowledge there is no problem with aluminium in linseed. With regards to the MagOx, it depends what the contents of that 50ml spoon weighs, as well as how much magnesium there is in the rest of his diet.
Gem I am afraid I cannot remember if Sky has any particular problems? Without upping the feed all you can do is go for higher calorie food than the grass nuts at 11MJ/kg, either from adding starch, or oil.
D&H ERS pellets are a high fat, high calorie feed at 13.5MJ/kg that is still low in starch, and I think that would be my first try. There are several stud and conditioning feeds at that kind of calorie level but most will be quite high in starch, ie 20-30% whereas ERS pellets are only around 7%.
Dengie Naked oats are the highest calorie feed I know of at a whopping 15MJ/kg, but they are undoubtedly very high in starch, and not mineral balanced of course.
Or you can add a cup of oil in each feed - virgin olive oil for preference (which can be reasonable bought in bulk at a Cash and Carry). Oil is something over 30MJ/kg so adds more calories than anything, though you need to increase antioxidants like vitamin E if you are feeding a lot.
Jackie
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Post by gem on Dec 3, 2007 0:54:01 GMT 1
fab thanks jackie - Sky has no problems usually a fab doer its just shes living out now and its the wrong side of winter for weight loss so am worried will look to add oil to diet and consider feeds
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Post by melissa on Dec 3, 2007 14:45:56 GMT 1
Hi Jackie Is there anything that you could recommend for a pony that behaves like a rig? Thank you.
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Post by angblue on Dec 3, 2007 18:38:34 GMT 1
Hi Jackie Got my hay analysis back & the protein 7.9%, typical result 5-9%. Sugars were fine at 6.2%. Is this enough protein for my 2 cobs in light work? Presently out 24/7, grass getting poor now, fed Topspec Comp, scoop Hi-Fi Lite, handfull speedi-beet, mg-ox, linseed & yeasacc, 2/3 slices hay per day each. My lami pony gets same feed only less & she does no work over winter. They are all in good cond(not fat) but cob mare needs muscling up as she lost a bit while out of work when we moved house. I really want to keep the feed fibre based, would value your opinion as to whether they need another source of protein.
Thanks Angie
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