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Post by mags on Jan 3, 2008 13:57:10 GMT 1
Interesting thread for me, iv just bought Dan in off the grass as he is slightly foot sore again and I suspect he will be sound again even on stones in a week
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Post by nich on Jan 3, 2008 17:11:49 GMT 1
hmm - I've had Autumn on box rest for over a month, and have to say her feet have really benefitted (I didn't do it for that reason, she had a wound on her hock). now I have her out at night, with piles of hay in the field, so will be interesting to see how her feet are at the next trim. btw, Cavallos have good grip in my experience.
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Post by Susan on Jan 3, 2008 17:50:27 GMT 1
That is why I think for the moment, if it is to be released in the UK, aim it at farriers (and vets) because then it keeps everyone safe. The way I would play it if I was KC would be to consult the FRC and find out exactly what they think then work with them if necessary to make it available within the law over here. I have to say Just if we lived in rose tint world.. OK,. farriers supply and fit this product!!!!!!!!! wot it wont happen, most will have no idea about it, they have little time for BF ( I speak of the ones we do not have good relations with) and they will certainly not promote it. Vets.. again rose tint land..you are lucky Just you are married to a vet, most as you well know have little knowledge of the foot at all, BF to them is something most horses cant cope with, fitting this product wont happen. Only by the very limited few vets.. who are open and know and understand out of their little boxes. I have a suspicion KC is in communication with the FRC.. but I for one am NOT going to pay any of the farrier in my locality to supply this product and fit it for me. It aint going to happen.. I will fit it myself and let them take me to court..I can be the test case! if they like.. It seems I may have to wait for the tougher wrap for Flynn for roads but at least we are progressing.. this guy is certainly investing that can be said..for sure..
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Post by Azrael on Jan 3, 2008 20:18:43 GMT 1
Have to admit I think I'm with Susan in a way on this one.. if I ever want to use it on any of my horses I'll be buying it and putting it on myself. With the amount of illegal shoeing going on in this area I doubt anyone is going to even notice if I quietly stick a rather odd 'bandage' on a horse. If I wanted to behave I'm pretty sure my nice vet would cooperate, but that would easily double the cost of using it.
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Post by Susan on Jan 3, 2008 23:19:46 GMT 1
Oh forgot to say.. slipping.. I can certainly take Flynn out on long lines but I can say without doubt when Flynn feels insecure footing he dont want to go there.. and that is his preservation.. not to risk more then he sees fit to..
But we can work on it..but those easyboots are horrible.. I have never questioned the prob of slipping unshod as I know he is dealing with mother natures product but man made boots that slip far more then his own feet.. that is unfair in my eyes..
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Post by justinej on Jan 4, 2008 1:08:29 GMT 1
Have to admit I think I'm with Susan in a way on this one.. if I ever want to use it on any of my horses I'll be buying it and putting it on myself. With the amount of illegal shoeing going on in this area I doubt anyone is going to even notice if I quietly stick a rather odd 'bandage' on a horse. If I wanted to behave I'm pretty sure my nice vet would cooperate, but that would easily double the cost of using it. But that is in a sense a whole different issue. Paying a trimmer to apply an "illegal" product would I am sure be more of a problem than if you do it yourself. I think if people want to use this, doing it yourself would be safer.
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Post by justinej on Jan 4, 2008 1:10:47 GMT 1
But we can work on it..but those easyboots are horrible.. I have never questioned the prob of slipping unshod as I know he is dealing with mother natures product but man made boots that slip far more then his own feet.. that is unfair in my eyes.. I'm in a sense more worried about the boots that provide too much grip. I don't use boots except to cut down on wear on the road and I think that they may provide rather too much traction. Slip is not always a bad thing.
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Post by numbat on Jan 4, 2008 5:17:06 GMT 1
From what I can see from the ad, this product is in the form of a wrap or bandage? How can that be seen as a shoe?
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Post by Yann on Jan 4, 2008 10:07:19 GMT 1
It can't but the fact it's a semi permanent object fitted to protect the hoof after a trim will give anyone who wants to have a go grist for their mill under current UK farriery legislation.
As far as boots and traction go for me the ideal is something that gives about the same sort of traction as a metal shoe on soft ground and somewhat better than the same thing on tarmac. Of the boots I've tried the G2 and Renegade would both fall into this category.
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Post by Amanda Dolby on Jan 4, 2008 13:49:28 GMT 1
This is very interesting - I have a candidate or 2 that could benefit from this product RIGHT NOW! is it for sale yet and yes I would fit it myself. then a passing friendly EP could accidentally cast an eye over the work! So all fine and no politics.
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Post by Susan on Jan 4, 2008 14:05:00 GMT 1
Just..difference in slipping and sliding that these boots do on slick mud! is not the slip you refer to, which I am assuming is like studs hold the foot fast and causing other issues to joints. That I agree.. but to slide around as if on icerink on your horses back is asking for trouble and not my choice of fun.
But when he is unshod if he slides he slows down , that is good and what he is designed to do, as you and I would given the same choice.
For me, if my trimmer is prepared to train me in the application then I will do it! he makes a choice and so do I. But given the quality of shoeing and foot care by registered farriers in many cases and then of course these unregistered one.. I stick with who I trust with my horse baa humbug the FRC, let them get their own house in order before they try to enter others is my opinion.
A debate that will continue no doubt.
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Post by horsiehelen on Jan 4, 2008 15:49:01 GMT 1
Can I ask a question?
When you refer to the horse being footy and letting you know that they are not happy - exactly what are the signs?
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Post by Yann on Jan 4, 2008 16:31:38 GMT 1
I look for things like a shortening of stride, tension, reluctance to go forward at the usual speed, favouring easy surfaces if there's a choice and taking false steps and ouching if it's really bad.
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Post by taklishim on Jan 4, 2008 19:02:21 GMT 1
Hi Helen, signs are all that Yann has said. Also you have to know the horses normal behaviour very well and then compare it. (every sign can have another interpretation)
Examples are a horse with others on say a hard yard. If he is normally pleasant and friendly and then becomes agressive/bad tempered it could be a sign of pain. Leading the horse around the yard does he walk really well on say carpet/rubber mats etc but then slow down on concrete and even more so on stone/gravel? Leading him in hand around the roads does he bounce around as normal or is he well behaved (a bit too well behaved?) and quiet? Ears back is a giveaway. If you take him for a walk in hand is he happy to "play"ie jump up and down banks, lunge small circles over ditches and just generally play and have fun even if only on grass or does he look miserable and just do it cos he is told to. They should walk easily over gravel etc. I don't think it is correct that they are careful with their feet. If they are sound they usually don't give a damn. If they look where they are going and move carefully they may have a problem. Don't be taken in by adrenaline, seeing the hunt/ turning for home etc adrenaline can overide pain. Many really sound horses seem to like trotting/cantering on tarmac out of choice rather than on grass verges. Reluctance to sustained trotting even on grass, ie does he do the minimum he can get away with? Puffing and apparent lack of fitness going up hills (when you know he is fit) can be a sign of pain. Starting to refuse and being akward out ridden are more signs. If the soreness is due to over-riding/worn feet then padded boots usually give a quick answer. They often walk out very much better straightaway. If you don't have boots you could even try duck taping some pads onto his feet just to try it.
If sorenss is due to LGL then improvement with boots may be less.
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