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Post by eden on Jan 13, 2013 10:03:34 GMT 1
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Post by wills on Jan 13, 2013 10:21:28 GMT 1
That is HORRIFIC. However, are those horses his? It's impossible to know the truthbreally via internet.
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Post by wills on Jan 13, 2013 10:35:30 GMT 1
Infact having now read the whole thread I think that that lassie may be telling the truth...
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Post by specialsparkle3 on Jan 13, 2013 10:45:39 GMT 1
OMG That completely changes my opinion of Clwyd Davis -----------------------but I still mantain that the RSPCA needs investigating. There really are some dreadful people on this earth
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Post by eden on Jan 13, 2013 10:52:19 GMT 1
OMG That completely changes my opinion of Clwyd Davis -----------------------but I still mantain that the RSPCA needs investigating. There really are some dreadful people on this earth Totally agree. The handling of that pony was totally wrong.
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Post by jackiedo on Jan 13, 2013 11:06:56 GMT 1
There really are horrible people who start off with the best of intentions then do not notice what is wrong themselves. I have seen some shocking photos from a well known stud who have bred and owner international winners. This person has been reported so many times. The law does not make it easy. Having seen similar photos from this stud I believe the OP totally.
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Post by mandal on Jan 13, 2013 11:14:00 GMT 1
Who knows what the truth is at this stage but something has become very clear to me about cases like the one in the photos. The law needs changing and horses/animals being severely neglected and clearly suffering as shown in those photos should be seized/pts immediately and life bans issued. I don't care what anyone's life story or mental health/physical/business status is, there comes a point when they are no longer fit to have care of another living being.
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Post by Catrin on Jan 13, 2013 11:19:22 GMT 1
I'm not sure what the point is of the person putting these photographs on that forum. The poster is anonymous and the photographs could come from anywhere.
It seems that some unknown people have an unpleasant agenda, whereas we can see that Clwyd Davies is a known animal welfare offender who clearly needs some help, or he will continue to "offend." As we saw in the film, he took in ten more horses in need! Fortunately now they are aware of his problem, there are lots of local people giving their time to help him and hopefully rehabilitate him.
These photos and the negativity are for the benefit of the insecure and warped mind of the person who wants to "gossip" about them. Anonymous accusations help no–one, perhaps that person should get some help for themselves.
Another photograph is being circulated. It was taken on December 18, 2011, uploaded on January 9, 2013, on what purports to be the RSPCA Flickr photostream. According to a Richard Partington, this is one of Clwyd Davies's horses taken by the RSPCA, but the RSPCA visited early in 2011. Surely, had they taken away a horse, it would have been in better condition by December?
Although Richard Partington remains almost anonymous if no–one knows him, we cannot understand his motives, but whatever they are they help no–one at all.
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Post by wills on Jan 13, 2013 11:32:37 GMT 1
Catrin if you read the whole thread then the OP does start posting under there username, which is an active account. The credibility of the photos can also be checked out via photobucket and they were uploaded from the same camera in May in 2008.
You can be traced from an IP address so why would she lie about it and face prosecution herself?
Im shocked by the amount of people supporting this guy, why, why is it acceptable for him to abuse horses but not others?
Also rspca have been involved with this man since 2008.
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Post by mandal on Jan 13, 2013 11:46:50 GMT 1
Some experienced posters are saying the little grey mare in those photos may have an angular limb deformity rather than a broken leg. SS3?
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Post by Catrin on Jan 13, 2013 12:03:07 GMT 1
Catrin if you read the whole thread then the OP does start posting under there username, which is an active account. I found the bitchness and self–righteousness so depressing that I have to admit, I didn't read more than three pages. This tells us when, but not what they were of. The RSPCA first visited Clwyd Davies in early 2009 apparently and after warnings, and failure to address problems, a court case ensued. I can't answer that, I have no way to assess the motives of someone that I don't know. The thread details and photographs have been passed to Clwyd's solicitor yesterday. I'm shocked that anyone cannot see that the man needs help. I haven't heard anyone defend his right to neglect horses. Unfortunately although we have organisations to look after the welfare of animals, we have few who will meet the psychological, social and welfare needs of animal hoarders. It is left to the Good Samaritans who see their need to help them. If you see someone in trouble, do you vilify them or help them. Thank goodness that Clwyd has found a few who will help him and can. Are you now saying they didn't do their job properly?
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Post by wills on Jan 13, 2013 12:11:51 GMT 1
Yes h needs help but he shouldnt be defended or supported for the state of his animals or get away with it because of this or be allowed to think its acceptable. Its not. My own father has mental health issues so I understand probably more than others.
I neve said the rspca had done a good job, did i? The whole case and they way they handled it is a shambles.
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Post by specialsparkle3 on Jan 13, 2013 12:44:15 GMT 1
Some experienced posters are saying the little grey mare in those photos may have an angular limb deformity rather than a broken leg. SS3? Looking at the shape of the hoof, and position of the leg, and having seen horses with broken legs, I too would say that it is more likely to be an angular limb deformity. However, if he bred her, she should have been treated for it or pts , if not, she should still have been pts. Unfortunately it is too late for her, poor girl.
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Post by Caroline on Jan 13, 2013 12:52:45 GMT 1
Who knows what the truth is at this stage but something has become very clear to me about cases like the one in the photos. The law needs changing and horses/animals being severely neglected and clearly suffering as shown in those photos should be seized/pts immediately and life bans issued. I don't care what anyone's life story or mental health/physical/business status is, there comes a point when they are no longer fit to have care of another living being. I couldn't agree more mandal! It's very sad, and I do feel compassion for the man as well as his horses. It looks like grief has unhinged him and his world has spiralled downwards. He could do with a lot of help to get his horses up to health and in a decent care routine and he could do with a massive house make-over to bring his own living conditions up to standard. But I think things would spiral down again because his state of mind is such that he will continue to breed and take on horses beyond his ability to care for them. What really needs fixing is his state of mind. I have noticed that breeding can sometimes be an indicator of mental health issues. The RSPCA didn't look great in the documentary, but it does seem that the documentary was produced to look sympathetic to the man. If the photos of the horse with the broken leg and the corpses are genuine, then the RSPCA were right to act. I wish they had been so active in the Paris case, instead of the trail of cross-county ineffectiveness that I saw, but I am glad they acted here. Yes, their catching wasn't great and it would have been better to get the man to catch his own horse. But it is easy to be critical from our keyboards and armchairs. Out in the field, sometimes field operatives have to just do what it takes to get the animal to safety. Also, RSPCA officers are not always horse people and have not spent years studying the best ways to handle horses as we have. They could probably do with more and better training. Perhaps this is an opportunity for IH? I know some of the officers have been on IH courses. Perhaps it would be good to have a course that focusses on the type of work they have to do i.e. catching untouched horses in big fields and unfenced areas? That might be popular with rescue workers from many organisations.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 13, 2013 12:57:34 GMT 1
The photos were indeed shocking but I have to ask myself why did they not report things at the start, and why delay posting those pictures until the tv programme had aired................the man needs help, whether it be for mental health issues or for other reasons, he needs help, yes he is getting help with the horses BUT he needs to be told in no uncertain simple terms no more horses. Then he needs his own mental capabilities addressing and treated.
If as has also been stated he is squatting on that land that issue also needs addressing and he needs to be moved off the land and the owner be given his peace of mind back again.
I don't agree with how the RSPCA came across at all, they went in mob handed as they do in many cases, I don't like them as an organisation as I feel they have become a political organisation and their original aims have been lost in the political correctness and one size fits all do it our way or no way attitude they have developed over the years.
I am not condoning Clwyd Davis at all, as I believe he really has lost his way more than a little, he may be a genuine animal/horse lover but he really does need to be told enough is enough
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