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Post by mandal on Feb 9, 2010 16:59:28 GMT 1
Oh, I can't wait! lol It's about 5pm in Lausanne atm...
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Post by mandal on Feb 9, 2010 17:01:34 GMT 1
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Post by june on Feb 9, 2010 21:31:16 GMT 1
Hmmm, whitewash springs to mind.
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Post by jinglejoys on Feb 9, 2010 22:26:20 GMT 1
Hmmm, whitewash springs to mind. They say " the consensus of the group was that any head and neck position achieved through aggressive force is not acceptable " "The group redefined hyperflexion/Rollkur as flexion of the horse’s neck achieved through aggressive force, which is therefore unacceptable" also "The group also emphasised that the main responsibility for the welfare of the horse rests with the rider. " I take that as saying Rollkur is unacceptable and any rider using it will be punished or have I missed something being a glass half full person?
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Post by june on Feb 9, 2010 23:00:40 GMT 1
But LDR achieved through force that isn't aggressive is ok? What is aggressive force anyway? How long is it ok to work a horse in hyperflexion for if it isn't achieved through aggressive force?
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Post by mandal on Feb 9, 2010 23:05:11 GMT 1
Mmm, I assume that those top riders who use LDR will not be aggressive because they're so experienced!!!!
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Post by june on Feb 9, 2010 23:50:35 GMT 1
Oh yes, of course. How stupid of me!
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Post by mandal on Feb 10, 2010 14:32:43 GMT 1
There's some talk of rein tension monitors... I'm not convinced these will be reliable as an indicator of force used as horses can be trained in stronger bits etc. I suppose it would show constant pressure/pull. I've been wondering about blood oxygen saturation meters, like the ones you have clipped to your finger in Hospital these days. I believe they are very accurate and if one could be devised for a hairy beast (shaved of course) then wouldn't that give irrefutable information as to how neck flexion was affecting the horse?? Surely if the oxygen levels are too low then cruelty is undeniable.
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Post by portiabuzz on Feb 10, 2010 14:37:17 GMT 1
they are just skirting around the fact that these horses are not comfortable and happy & that what should happen if you ride this way is low scores or be asked to leave
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Post by Zuzan on Feb 10, 2010 15:44:21 GMT 1
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Post by mandal on Feb 10, 2010 15:52:05 GMT 1
Thanks for that pic Zuzan. I have a feeling that that image wasn't in the FEI mind when they classified rollkur/ hyperfexion and LDR seperately. Hope I'm wrong.
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Post by Zuzan on Feb 10, 2010 15:55:41 GMT 1
I think what was in their minds was not what is or is not correct but the money and influence / power bases / vested interests... cynical.. but this is why I wasn't expecting a one off decisive blow to rollkur and LDR
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Post by mandal on Feb 10, 2010 17:27:02 GMT 1
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Post by mandal on Feb 10, 2010 18:51:41 GMT 1
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Post by wendyihts on Feb 10, 2010 19:14:52 GMT 1
I'm just wondering whether it would be good if some big, militant animal rights organisations got stuck into this debate too. The treatment of sports horses across the world SUCKS in so many ways.
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