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Post by K8 on Oct 30, 2009 19:22:28 GMT 1
That is exactly the problem alex... that is NOT what happens on a hunt. That is how it is portrayed by the media.
The media have a awful lot to answer for.
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Post by madmare1 on Oct 30, 2009 21:56:16 GMT 1
This is to Apachepony and Yann....
I am a member of the Countryside Alliance, and I intend, once the ban is repealed (which it will be) to go out Hunting again.
The HSA are a bunch of violent and ignorant people, and having had friends on the recieving ends, and having been there myself, I know how nasty these people are.
I have had smoke bombs set off in my horses face, luckily Crystal is Film trained and not bothered about smoke and bangs and things, so I managed to extricate ourselves and escaped unharmed.
BUT, the HSA were behind these attacks (all well documented and in the public domain) 1) replacing water in a hounds bath with Acid, 2) setting fire to a Huntsmans cottage with his disabled wife and child inside, 3) setting smoke bombs off in hedges and fishing line at neck height along narrow woodland paths.
Also, and this is PERSONAL, the HSA are directly responsible for a friend of mine never riding again from the age of 11. My friend was out on her new pony, she didn't know that hounds and the hunt were passing the top of her road, one of these so called 'animal lovers' had spread ball bearings across the road.....my friends 4yo pony went down, screaming in agony with two broken hind legs.........and not one of them went to her as she sat there cradling a dying pony in her arms............luckily, the huntsman had his gun, and put the pony down, and took her home, and explained everything....and arranged for the body to be moved. She had only had him for 3 days, and that was the first time she had gone up the road on him.
She never rode again from that day..........
The HSA are vicious thugs and total hypocrites......and as such are not deserving of anyones support, let alone a High street brand.
Emma xx
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Post by portiabuzz on Oct 30, 2009 22:41:30 GMT 1
i really dont like hearing of the HSA doing this to the animals... Its just not fair as they cannot help being made to hunt...I just dont understand either sides mentality when it comes to animals being killed and harmed though
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Post by lizpurlo on Oct 30, 2009 23:21:04 GMT 1
Emma, what an awful story. The HSA don't give a toss about animals - otherwise they wouldn't damage horses and hounds as they do. Putting ball-bearings on roads - and broken glass on fields is another favourite activity - utterly despicable.
I'd never even heard of 'Lush', so I suppose they've got some publicity out of this ..... but as a lifelong hunting enthusiast I'll know now to avoid them if they open a store in our local town! Why on earth couldn't they support a real charity like the Brooke, for instance, and help the poorest people and animals on the planet?
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Post by madmare1 on Oct 30, 2009 23:31:30 GMT 1
Portia, sadly they do..............it's sickening.....there are other horror stories about them, like leading hounds across railtracks just as a train was coming, pepper spray in horses nostrils and faces.....and other stuff as well.
This isn't about hunting, but about hypocrisy and the fact that Lush have no idea who they are supporting.....the HSA are nothing more than terrorists and thugs, who have no idea of the suffering they cause, and if they dom they don;t give a toss!
Emma xx
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Post by Yann on Oct 31, 2009 9:30:09 GMT 1
Can you point me in the direction of anything that confirms these terrible actions were actually carried out or endorsed by the HSA?
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Post by madmare1 on Oct 31, 2009 11:40:10 GMT 1
Read the back issues of Horse and Hound, all there, with evidence!!!!
Emma xx
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Post by pinkpony on Oct 31, 2009 12:33:52 GMT 1
That is exactly the problem alex... that is NOT what happens on a hunt. That is how it is portrayed by the media. The media have a awful lot to answer for. Dont they just.....I hate the bliddy media. No ones friend, everyones friend. I met some hunt sabs once. Thy were a peacfull bunch. but i just dont think either side gets the point.....blood sport aint humane. hunting as always, will remain firmly divided in opinion. As to lush...I love their products, and i reckon if enough of you complain about the supporting of one singular organisation, they will see your point. they will still be anti tho....but that democracy for you. |
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Post by Yann on Oct 31, 2009 18:43:08 GMT 1
Evidence that the HSA was directly behind these acts? It's hardly going to be impartial though is it, with a name like that?
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Post by lawyerbunny on Oct 31, 2009 19:09:23 GMT 1
Emma, that sounds horrific. I truly feel for your friend.
I've met a fair few antis in my time too, the vast majority decent, law-abiding folks. The real issue here, surely (and I apologise for sounding like a broken record here) is that Lush have chosen to support this PARTICULAR group.
Yann, like you I like to see direct evidence - these are after all serious allegations being made about the HSA. Equally, I would like to see some d@mn clear evidence that the HSA have distanced themselves from such attacks. Over to you.
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Post by alex on Oct 31, 2009 19:37:13 GMT 1
GARY WHELBRAND, an Albrighton FH supporter, found guilty of fracturing a saboteur's jaw in two places and perforating his eardrum, after Whelbrand jumped the sab from behind, dragging him to the ground in an unprovoked attack. He was convicted of ABH, and was fined £250 with costs and £75 compensation.
Atherstone FH supporter convicted of Assault and fined £200, with £138 costs and £60 compensation.
Vale of White Horse FH whipper-in, MATTHEW CALCOT was ordered to pay £130 compensation and was bound over for a year for the sum of £100 after the windscreen of Oxford HSA's van was smashed.
The South and West Wilts. FH's kennelman sacked after being convicted of Section 4 of the Public Order Act. He had violently rocked a sab's car with people inside. He was also convicted of Drink Driving at the time.
STEPHEN THAYNE, whipper-in to the Chiddingfold FH, convicted of Assault and Battery after riding down a group of saboteurs. Given one years conditional discharge and ordered to pay £170 costs.
New Forest Terrierman, KEITH COLBERT and hunt supporter ADRIAN BUNGAY, both given conditional discharges after a hunt saboteur was attacked during a meet of the hunt. At the time of writing Colbert is wanted by police for an alleged racial attack on a mixed- race hunt monitor (ironically the new hunt master of the New Forest FH is black - it was he that appeared in the latest Rover advert, before his bit had to be pulled after he was accused of drunk driving!).
3 hunt thugs convicted of Affray and Reckless Driving after they had chased sabs around fields before attacking them.
NIGEL TREVITHICK-WOOD, husband of an Old Surrey and Burstow FH Joint Master, received a 6 month suspended sentence for punching a sab in the face at a cubbing meet. In a related incident 1st whipper-in (now huntsman) MARK BYCROFT was also found guilty of Assault and ordered to do Community Service.
KIETH NOBBS, New Forest FH terrierman and NICK STEVENS (again), South Dorset FH's kennelman, both fined £200 for Criminal Damage to a sab vehicle. The car, with sabs inside it, had been overturned at a meet of the South Dorset FH.
CLIFFARD LARTER, a gamekeeper, found guilty of Assault on a Notts sab and causing ABH. The sab's nose was broken and more serious injury was only prevented by the intervention of two other saboteurs. Fined £200 and £75 costs.
JOHN FUNNELL, Master of the Surrey Union FH found guilty of ABH on Brixton saboteur. The sab needed stitches to a serious head wound and was left scarred for life after Funnell rode his horse over him twice. He was given a 2 month prison sentence, suspended for 2 years.
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Post by lawyerbunny on Oct 31, 2009 19:41:59 GMT 1
Alex, that wasn't the question.
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Post by alex on Oct 31, 2009 19:51:51 GMT 1
Oh, hi lawyerbunny, I know, just showing that there's lots of evidence for thuggish behaviour from the hunt and its supporters. The HSA does not condone violence to any creature, including hounds, horses and people. There is a list as long as my arm on their site of the horrific attacks by hunt thugs on sabs, along with descriptions of their sabbing methods, which do not include marbles or head height wire etc Any sabs doing those sort of things would not have the approval of the HSA, and all the sabs I have met have been lovers of all animals. Two sabs have even died, one a boy of 15 on his first outing, which is absolutely horrific. www.huntsabs.org.uk/ |
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Post by lawyerbunny on Oct 31, 2009 20:12:22 GMT 1
Hi, Alex. It's truly dreadful to see violence in any area, and tragic for someone to lose their life.
Feelings run enormously high on both 'sides' in the hunting debate, and there are countless reports of violence on both sides. I would very much like to see the HSA coming out and condeming such behaviour - more than "we do not condone violence" (I can't imagine anyone credible coming out openly to say they did!) but actively standing apart from the violent few and denouncing their behaviour. I'd expect the same from a credible hunt! If a high street chain are going to back an organisation, I really think this needs to be dealt with.
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Post by madmare1 on Oct 31, 2009 23:59:46 GMT 1
Alex.......believe me, any hunt Sab that gets in my way is going to get squashed! I'll go over them or through them, I don;t care..............Violent and ignorant townies who have no bloody idea of what is going on in the countryside.
Well known saying is: NATURE IS RED IN TOOTH AND CLAW
A foxes natural predator is the Wolf..........so being hunted with a pack is a NATURAL experience for a fox.....or would you prefer wolves running round the countryside, then bring back bears as well?
This really gets my goat.........HSA are thugs, and deserve everything they get back.
I am not a violent person, but I get seriously peed off with people preaching at me what I can and cannot do! You lot aren't the ones who have lavished care on a critically injured fox cub for 3 days after his mother and family had been gassed and his lungs compromised, and then have him die on you.....I don't like the buggers, but I believe any animal deserves a fighting chance.....
Emma xx
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