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Post by pinkpony on Nov 2, 2009 14:35:42 GMT 1
Some one has to keep an eye on the hunters, as is pointed out on this thread, there are still some illegal activiteis going off.
So lush want to promote anti hunting activites....who would they give the procedes to , out of interest?
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Post by berrygrower on Nov 2, 2009 16:43:17 GMT 1
John Craven asked a question to a man from the countryside alliance on country file last night 'have you considered that a lot more people might go hunting if you followed a trail rather than chasing animals', the man ignored it which i found interesting. I'd love to go hunting for the riding, but can't because (apart from not having enough money!) gratuitous violence against humans or animals is against my principles.
In terms of the lush debate there has been appalling incidences of violence by both sides, i had a good look at the HSA and the CA websites and they are both clearly against violence, however there are always individuals who step outside the limits of behaviour that most people consider acceptable even when it contradicts the beliefs they consider they have. But I can't see any reason why lush shouldn't support the HSA, there are plenty of commercial organisations, e.g. horse and hound, who support hunting despite the evidence of violence against protestors shown by the succesful prosecution of many hunt staff, followers and supporters. If you don't like it don't buy it, what does the trashing of shops suggest?
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Post by Yann on Nov 2, 2009 16:47:33 GMT 1
As did I - he wanted to put a different slant on it, unfortunately I think JC had a point there.
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Post by beany1 on Nov 2, 2009 16:54:36 GMT 1
I too would love to go hunting, if it didn't involve putting an animal through immense suffering. It really is hypocritical - if a dog, cat, deer or even hedgehog was treated in such a manner then I'm pretty sure you pro-hunters would put a post or two on, in disgust at the cruelty of it.
I would like to know what the 'Countryside Alliance' knows, that the 'townies' don't?? Mysterious goings on in the country is it? Other than chasing and hunting a fox for your own pleasure?
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Post by pinkpony on Nov 2, 2009 17:12:28 GMT 1
point beany.....town verses the country.
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Post by ukshowjumper on Nov 2, 2009 18:01:20 GMT 1
Beany - Whats stopping you since hunting no longer involves chasing a fox?
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Post by portiabuzz on Nov 2, 2009 19:38:11 GMT 1
interesting letter in h&r mag: A lady started hunting now that theres no fox involved and said how much she enjoyed it. This i can understand....and i would definatly give drag hunting a go....however i cannot understand anyone who would choose to go when hunting & killing any animals is involved (it is also barbarc to hurt any horse/hound etc involved in the hunt)..as said before people have very strong views on both sides and my post wont change anyones mind..
I think i will not come back to this thread as i enjoy chatting to the other DG'ers on here, so i dont want to offend or cause arguments with my stongly anti views....hope that all makes sense!
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Post by berrygrower on Nov 2, 2009 20:01:00 GMT 1
I think this townie term is completely misleading and just a form of insulting and looking down on people, it says more about the people who use the term than anything else. There are plenty of people who live in the country who don't support hunting. What counts as countryie/townie anyway? What is the maximum size of place that you live in that allows you to join the 'elite' of countryie. When does a village become a town? What about the flow of people from country to town and vice versa? Completely ridiculous and not thought through, a good example of ignorant predudice.
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Post by portiabuzz on Nov 2, 2009 20:06:01 GMT 1
oh i cheated and looked at the thread!! Good point... i currently live in the town but have also lived and worked in the countryside....which me and my OH will go back to when we can....
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Post by mandal on Nov 2, 2009 20:07:07 GMT 1
Yes the 'Townie' thing doesn't hold true for me either. I grew up miles from anywhere and actually went hunting as a child when you were blooded. Thank heavens I got out of that!!
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Post by K8 on Nov 2, 2009 20:08:44 GMT 1
Portiabuzz i'm going to join you on leaving this thread alone now!! So i'm outta here!!
Just one last comment... I can't see what on earth townies and non townies have to do with it!!! I don't really care if you live on the moon!!!!
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Post by mandal on Nov 2, 2009 20:10:11 GMT 1
;D
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Post by kt with Hanni on Nov 2, 2009 20:16:19 GMT 1
It is a sensitive subject when discussed on here and has caused moderators to step in, in the past so i'm glad so far the debate is still a debate with no nastiness :-). My personal opinion is that i'm anti hunting and am very glad with the governments decision. I also agree with those that have said that these organisations do condone violence and that if violence occurs then it's people over stepping the mark completely. I hate violence to any human or animal. There are other proven ways to deal with fox population - See league against cruel sports website. My whole family from a farming background are anti. My grandfather in Wiltshire will not allow any hunts on to his land and I completely agree with his views. When he was younger he used to hunt but as time went by he started to question why he was doing it. My view is similar to others on here and I dislike the thought that hunting is seen as an enjoyable sport.
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Post by kt with Hanni on Nov 2, 2009 20:20:39 GMT 1
Typo dont condone
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