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Post by K8 on Oct 29, 2009 15:36:54 GMT 1
Well said Tamzin!!
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Post by apachepony on Oct 29, 2009 17:16:17 GMT 1
Well if neither the (certain methods of) foxhunting or the HSA are illegal, where is the problem in supporting either, whoever you are? Lush aren't doing anything wrong, they support many organisations. Like I said, no different from a newspaper supporting a political party. I really can't see it or say it in any plainer way. Vote with you feet, express your concerns to Lush if you wish, but I imagine the vast majority of their constomers will be behind them. Thanks for drawing this to our attention OP, I wouldn't have known about this otherwise
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Post by beanymare on Oct 29, 2009 18:23:02 GMT 1
Apachepony, that is your opinion with regards to hunting (and I disagree) but if the implicit attitude here is "I think hunting is violent so what's wrong with HSA using violence to stop it" then how do two wrongs ever make a right?!
I know from personal experience with the HSA that they use violence and intimidation, and that is with hunts making every effort to hunt within the law, and with children present. It is absolutely not on.
Hunting to a laid scent is LEGAL, and the HSA using violence and intimidation to interfere with this and impose their views is wrong. I have no problem with people disliking hunting, and expressing that view - that, after all, is what a democracy is about - but they go way beyond that.
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Post by ukshowjumper on Oct 29, 2009 18:23:28 GMT 1
I cant stand LUSH anyway but I'm appalled at their choice of group to support. Had it been someone such as LACS then I'd have no problem but the fact of the matter is the HSA are, and have been, violent. I'm by no means staying all hunt members are saints either. Then again they've supported violent groups before from what I remember.
I also don't like the fact they're implying that the hunting that occurs now is fox hunting in it's original form. It's not, it's within the law and, again, I think it's naive to assume every single person has hunted within the law, I believe they are VERY wrong to lead people who may not be very clued up that hunting still involved killing foxes with hounds.
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Post by apachepony on Oct 29, 2009 20:03:06 GMT 1
Goodness no beanymare, I wholeheartedly agree it is very wrong to use violence. I am simply pointing out that violence breeds violence, we see this every day, and hunting out foxes and killing them (legally or ilegally) is also violent, and those that see blood for pleasure, well, I don't know what to make of them, I see them in the same way I see football yobs As a new mother I am keen that my daughter learns violence is not the way, and I am determined that she will never know bloodlust, only compassion for people and creatures. A hunting field is not the place for a child. Our culture has become dulled to violence, therein lies the true problem.
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Post by kt with Hanni on Oct 29, 2009 22:19:07 GMT 1
Completely agree Apachepony :-)
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Post by beanymare on Oct 29, 2009 23:42:52 GMT 1
We will have to agree to disagree on this one, Apachepony. I hunt, and did so as a child, but am not a yob or anything close. When my son is ready to hunt, what he will learn on the hunting field will be about horsemanship, nature and a true understanding of the way the natural world works - the lessons he is learning now as a farmer's son.
I'd hope I'll also be teaching him about tolerance for the views of others, even when they don't accord with his own
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Post by hch4971 on Oct 30, 2009 10:07:41 GMT 1
I'm another that doesn't particularly support hunting, although I DO appreciate it's importance in the rural communities. I will never shop at lush again, having been a regular customer for many years, simply because they openly support the HSA. I have seen these people at work first hand and they do not shy away from violence. They are not worried about hurting the horses, hounds, riders or their children. It may only be a few of the HSA supporters who behave badly but the HSA obviously has no control over them nor does it disassociate itself from their actions. As I understand it hunts now have to operate within permitted boundaries and prosecutions are made if they break the law. Shame on Lush for being so blinkered!
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Post by berrygrower on Oct 30, 2009 12:10:14 GMT 1
Hunts round here certainly aren't hunting within the law, I've seen from my bedroom window a pack of hounds chasing a fox and being encouraged by the huntsmen. Also a footfollower i know told me they were carrying on 'as normal' and the huntsmen had commented on the lack of scent on that particular day.
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Post by portiabuzz on Oct 30, 2009 15:12:41 GMT 1
where does the rescuing pigs comment come from??
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Post by natalia on Oct 30, 2009 17:22:14 GMT 1
[quote author=apachepony board=ght09 thread=100422 post=1234060 time=1256842986
As a new mother I am keen that my daughter learns violence is not the way, and I am determined that she will never know bloodlust, only compassion for people and creatures. A hunting field is not the place for a child. Our culture has become dulled to violence, therein lies the true problem.[/quote]
No place for child? What utter rubbish! Best place for children and young horses to learn manners is on the hunt field. As well as learning about the countryside, good horsemanship and learning to ride well across all country.
HSA are nothing more than a legally run bunch of hooligans who will stop at nothing to protect a non endangered, non protected species which is not illegal to kill, just not legal to kill with dogs.
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Post by portiabuzz on Oct 30, 2009 17:39:37 GMT 1
i really dont think so! I hate violence to animals by anyone HSA or Hunt...
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Post by apachepony on Oct 30, 2009 18:13:36 GMT 1
*sigh*
Oh natalia, its a good thing I'm not easily riled or I'd be calling your post "utter rubbish" also. *sigh*
To reiterate, all violence is unacceptable, whether killing a fox or sabotaging a hunt.
I agree with beanymare's "agree to disagree", its a whole lot more adult than rubbishing what someone else feels.
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Post by portiabuzz on Oct 30, 2009 19:04:11 GMT 1
well said... we each have very different opinions which are all valid even if i disagree x
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Post by alex on Oct 30, 2009 19:18:28 GMT 1
I am unable to see how taking another creature's life can be thought of as 'sport' i.e. fun. What caring person can have an enjoyable day out when it's based on chasing an animal around the countryside with the purpose of ripping it apart with a pack of dogs? The hunts here are not hunting within the law either, it's business as usual.
I suppose there were lots of unhappy people when bear-baiting was banned too.
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