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Post by shadowofachance on Aug 8, 2009 13:55:32 GMT 1
Hi Sam,
Thank you for your message and to everyone for their help. Jackie will be following your feeding advice ASAP.
Third x rays were taken - farrier coming out on Monday to trim and second pair of imprints being put on.
Will post x rays when I get them so you can see the progress.
Scarlet is still coping well and fingers crossed will improve again after Monday.
Thank you for your support everyone, really needed xx
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Post by twinkle11 on Aug 8, 2009 14:20:34 GMT 1
hugs you stay in there xx
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Post by mollymoo on Aug 8, 2009 14:56:11 GMT 1
Only just seen this thread. I firstly want to give you massive (((((HUGS))))) I have been exactly where you are and unfortunately if didnt have a good outcome but you may be able to take something from the experience. We had a NF mare, purchased when she was 5yo grossly overweight, as we already had a Welsh D she was treated the same as her as a potential laminatic. We did all the 'right' things, in durin the day on soaked hay, restricted grazing at night, regular exercise, fed on TS anti-lam and hi fi lite. She had three mild attacks of LGL in one year. We got various advice from farriers, vets etc and to be honest didnt feel we had been given any helpful advice. We then decided to take her barefoot with Tim Mockford AEP and on taking the shoes off realised just how crippled she was as they had been masking her pain. Due to the LGL she had abcesses in both front feet and they were WHOPPERS! After much work and an even more restricted lifestyle where she went out in a sand paddock at night with hay rather than on grass she did get better for a while and could be lightly worked again (we had researched and there is evidence that movement and exercise help to break down the toxins that cause lami) however dispite all of this as she just turned 7 years old she had a massive attack of Lami again, nothing had changed, as quickly as she got better she worsened. With advice from a vet we trusted and Tim we put her on full box rest for three months, soaked and then rinsed and then re soaked hay, deep bed, we cut out the hifi lite as it does contain mollasses and she was on bute and ACP but nothing made any improvement. We had the vet back out to her who did some tests and it turned out she was insulin resistant and had the start of cushings. However at this point she was a shadow of herself and it was very clear she had given up the fight. She always did hate being stabled and she missed her very best friend when she was in and the vet said there was no way even if she did get through it she would ever be able to 'be a horse' again. We made a decision to give her the weekend out on grass with her friends (heavily buted I might add) and then she was PTS at 7yo. Its the saddest thing we have ever had to go through and it has made me adamant i will never let another one of my horses succumb to it. I do think however that it was always lurking in her, she had always been a 'sickly' horse, she had bad sweekitch and always got lumps and bumps. We also found out after that she was actually rejected by her mother at birth and nhand reared, so maybe she never got enough anti bodies. I hope your mare has a better prognosis and I hope that you can gain something from my experience. This is her in happier times with her best friend:
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Post by shadowofachance on Aug 8, 2009 15:11:44 GMT 1
Oh Mollymoo sending you a massive hug. Thank you for sharing your story, such a beautiful girl.
I have decided and had a long conversation with my vet that as soon as it gets too much for her or we reach the point where she can't just be a horse anymore we will stop.
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Post by Sam C on Aug 8, 2009 20:17:27 GMT 1
Glad she is coping well, hopefully the next shoeing will improve things further now you have more x-rays, please do keep us updated. mollymoo thankyou for telling us about your beautiful mare. I lost mine at 14 after struggling for five years, and looking back wish I'd been brave enough to make the decision a lot sooner. You did the only thing you could to finally free her from pain. Like you I'm determined that my others will never suffer that way and do everything possible to prevent it. I am not sure if I could go through it again.
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Post by shadowofachance on Aug 11, 2009 17:23:45 GMT 1
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Post by Sam C on Aug 11, 2009 19:53:20 GMT 1
Thanks for posting - what were the vets comments on them? It's difficult to tell, but there doesn't seem to be much downward movement of the pedal bone which is obviously good, and decent sole depth which is another big factor in recovery. Looks like there's plenty of foot to play with anyway, good luck for thursday.
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Post by shadowofachance on Aug 12, 2009 14:17:11 GMT 1
Hi Sam,
Vet was positive about the soles and very eager to have them trimmed ASAP.
I am feeling good about tomorrow it feels like we are taken more aggressive stance with both vet and farrier together and the trim then x ray then trim again if needed approach.
Scarlet is still positive, I do find myself constantly monitioring her mood!
Just have to get past tomorrow and the stress that provides but I have a good feeling!
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Post by Sam C on Aug 12, 2009 14:38:14 GMT 1
I assume you mean the vet was eager to get the feet trimmed, not specifically the soles?! Hope it all goes well anyway and you can get her feeling more comfy after the trimming/shoeing. It definately makes you feel a lot better having the vet and farrier working together, and having a clear plan of action set out.
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Post by pd on Aug 12, 2009 16:45:28 GMT 1
Well, these xrays show an improvement in the depth of sole, but the heels are still way too high. I hope the farrier/vet address this drastically in the next treatment, to help the pony recover. All the best, I do feel for you and your pony.
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Post by Sam C on Aug 12, 2009 17:05:56 GMT 1
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Post by pd on Aug 12, 2009 17:18:26 GMT 1
Yes, that issue has to be addressed before taking too much height away, but its critical to getting the weight off the point of the pedal bone. The next set of xrays will be very interesting to view.
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Post by easyaspie on Aug 12, 2009 17:27:39 GMT 1
Hi I don't often log on so have only just seen your thread. I hope your girl is doing better!!! Is that a massive gas pocket I can see in the last set of photographs, could be an optical illusion, did the vet mention it... running down the from appox 0.2cm in from the dorsal wall where the laminae attachment would be? Would you consider sending your horse to a rehabilitation centre to someone who has vast experience and knowledge of dealing with chronic conditions such as this? It may be worth seeking one out. The UKNHCP have some rehabilitation centres which the CP run... it may be worth if nothing else contacting one of these to ask about a rehabilitation process. www.uknhcp.orgReally wish you and your mare the very very best of luck... Jo
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Post by shadowofachance on Aug 12, 2009 20:09:01 GMT 1
Vet did mention the gas pocket. I have been reading up on this and found this from a great website...
"A"gas pocket" is in reality either a "nothing" pocket (empty space) or an "air" pocket, or just the layer of dead tissue between the bone's front surface and the hoofwall. It is created by the laminae that died and got stretched and torn from the founder. It is very much a normal part of founder. It is not a complication, it is an expected mechanical result of the laminitis. Neither the vet or the farrier should be making a big deal out of it. I see a 'gas pocket' in just about every founderedf foot I treat. It is the LEAST worrisome thing in a founder. If everything else goes right it will grow out as the new hoofwall grows in re-attached to the bone. . And it can be opened and exposed by the farrier when he dresses the dead hoofwall back. "
If I was in a financial position to perhaps sending her away would be an option although I have been her constant since she was two hours old so maybe its me being over emotional but I can't see me doing that.
Sorry Sam I did mean trim the feet!
I have now purchased all the feed that Jackie kindly recommended and just waiting to order the magnesium supp so will start introducing that to her.
Thank you all for your good wishes - keep your fingers crossed.
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Post by mandal on Aug 12, 2009 20:27:17 GMT 1
Fingers well and truly crossed for you both.
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