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Post by erinshaw86 on Apr 1, 2008 6:56:26 GMT 1
Oh will you all listen to yourselves!
And sheep? This is the most narrow minded forum I know of! Intelligent Horsemanship my arse!
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Post by autonomy on Apr 1, 2008 7:11:38 GMT 1
"Now I don't have the full identities of all donors so am posting here - and Caroline is posting on IHDG - to get agreement on what should be done with the reward fund."
Quote from original post on Saddle Up.
As you will see it was agreed that there would be a post on both boards asking what donors wished to do and to contact the people concerned with their requests. I don't see what is wrong with that although I am sure someone will come up with some reason!
As for SU donors wishing their donations to go to EMW then that is their choice to make.
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Post by jill on Apr 1, 2008 8:25:52 GMT 1
I am gobsmacked. I have to clarify - this is me as me and not in any way as EMW. I have just sat and read through all the posts on this thread and there are a couple of things which jump out at me.....................one is how much some people like to make a fuss over nothing! No one is pocketing your donations or being dishonest, and in most cases the donation of individuals would come to less than the cost of a good meal out. Get over yourselves, it will all be the same in 100 years time and is certainly not worth upsetting and antagonising folks the way some have done on here. What can you possibly stand to achieve? Stop arguing and leave it to those directly involved to sort out - JG and Davina. The other is, how many times do you all need to get caught out to learn the lesson? You jumped up and down and donated for horses in trouble a couple of years ago, without going through a properly regulated charity, and when it became clear all wasn't what it seemed everyone complained about lack of regulation! Now the same thing has happened with this cash, and JG has done a fabulous job but there is no system in place to ensure that the money is disposed of correctly. You only have yourselves to blame, and you should just trust those you trusted with your money to do the right thing. Now I've told you what I think I'm going to go away and not even bother to log in for a while, because I'm sure someone will be spiteful to me as well, just for expressing my feelings.
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Post by EMW-UK on Apr 1, 2008 8:30:44 GMT 1
Me too Jill, enough is enough. I did ask this thread be removed by the moderators way back. Odd how some get deleted but others are left to ferment!.
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Post by st4ffsmum on Apr 1, 2008 9:13:14 GMT 1
I am fed up with all this, I asked for this to be dealt with by the people who donated by PM as I knew people who HADN'T stuck their hands in their pockets would want a say When I started the reward fund the money was quickly whisked away to Janet George, fair enough, the money has been sat in her account for one year and with the court date for sentencing I thought it would be a nice gesture for Davina to see some good come out of the money and for Davina to get SOME closure. That is why I asked Janet if we could sort out the money, afterall, what was it doing, nothing!!! Now this has always been about Davina and Maggie not EMW. When donations came in and some people asked then if the money wasn't used where would it go and some people suggested EMW I was surprised that a few people asked specifically for it NOT to go to them? So what am I supposed to do? I have asked and this is what it has all boiled down to! Davina is heartbroken and feels like she has had a real kick in the teeth, she does NOT want a round pen in Maggies Memory, she wants to see a change in the law so that "people" who commit these types of crimes are getting tougher sentencing. Wouldn't you if your horse was killed in such a terrible way. The people that turned up to court to support Davina and had to sit near these "people" who commited the crimes and Listen to what they did were IH and EE forum supporters. So many of you are coming on here and slagging off this forum so go elsewhere??? Why stay where you don't want to be unless its to cause mischief and upset. This has all left a very bitter taste, but I know the true strength and honour of the people I have met on here and will support Davina to the end, no matter if I get told that Maggies Law won't work! Its a good job people try to change the law otherwise we would still be in the dark ages, Good Luck to everyone fighting for Maggies Law. I have asked for my donation back and will be sending it to Davina for Maggies Law. This has and always WILL be about Davina and Maggie despite what Janet has to say................ Oh for .....
This is SO bloody naive!! There is NO way in the world that there is going to be a new law - not if there was £1 million to throw at it! In fact there's NO chance of the current law being amended in the next 5 years (at least) because DEFRA is incompetent and broke - even the promised changes to the Veterinary Act - which have been promised for more than 5 years and ARE urgent - have been put off until at least 2010. The current Animal Welfare Act - as amended - only came into effect in March last year - for the Government to allow ANY chances in the next 5 years would be to admit they cocked it up - it ISN'T going to happen.
The majority of donors have now expressed their wishes and - TBH - it's not up to Davina.
Janet George
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Post by varkie on Apr 1, 2008 9:18:17 GMT 1
Not quite how I see it prairie.
Legally, the money doesn't belong to Davina, it belongs to those who gave it, unless used for the original purpose. No one has been overruled - it has merely been suggested that Maggies Law is unworkable.
And fwiw, I think that's true. I can understand the desire to achieve it, and even consider that in that position I might do the same, but I think it will not work, and will only use up funds which could be used elsewhere to actually achieve something. Purely my opinion however.
Anyway - as I was saying, no overruling, just a statement that this is unlikely to work - however, as all contributors have been asked what they wish to do with their funds, if they wish to donate to Maggies Law, all they have to do is ask for their money back, and then give it to a new Maggies Law fund, surely?
The ones I feel sorry for in all this are Davina & EMW, for being dragged into this without their will. I would feel sorry for JG, but I rather think she's tough enough to look after herself, and has enough legal know how.
And actually, I do rather think this thread should be deleted - but for the sake of IH itself. There have been a number of insinuations which are teetering on the edge of libel - not being a legal bod, I wouldn't like to say whether they are actionable or not, but I think they're pretty close. In addition to that, if I was connected with IH, I'd want to hide this thread, and all the nastiness in it - not something I'd want connected with my business! I'd have thought it would be better to delete all but the first post, and leave that locked so that people can take action if they have funds committed.
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Post by st4ffsmum on Apr 1, 2008 9:29:23 GMT 1
It is all over now, anyone who wants to give their money to Davina can email Janet and ask for it back, EMW will get the rest. Magnum has kindly offered to replace all money removed from Maggies Reward Appeal so Davinas wishes can be followed.
End of. Please no more bitching
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