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Post by crinks on Mar 30, 2008 17:25:16 GMT 1
WILL YOU LOT JUST LISTEN TO YOURSELVES!!!!!
Right now that I have your attention, for heavens sake stop it and stop it now! All this arguing is getting us nowhere and is counterproductive to what we all signed up for. Not to mention how terribly upsetting it must be for Davina to read this thread. We should be thoroughly ashamed of ourselves for lettingthis degenerate into a slanging and shouting match.
As far as I can see the best solution might be to split the fund in half and use it for both purposes, or give the whole lot to Davina to use as she thinks fit and no arguing over whatever she decides to do with it.
What you all seem to have forgotten is that in order to get this law through we are going to need some kind of fighting fund, in order to employ lawyers and barristers in order to make a challenge to the present law................... and get a judical review and these cost money............and lots of it I'm afraid.
Lobby groups and other essentials tp getting this through Parliament are going to cost us. Even if we undertook some or a great deal of the work involved on ourselves we still need at some point to instruct barrsters to act on our behalf. Some of the legal footwork we can do ourselves, but unlwss osmeone has a tame barrister or QC that we can use for free or they are qualified to that degree themselves then we need money. If we are to stand a chance of getting Maggie's Law passed then I for onethink that the money in the fund should be put to this use, after all if it wasn't for the terrible mindlessness of the two little thugs who killed Maggie and devasted Davina then we would not be doing this. This not the time to have a mass falling out when we have come so far in such a short time, we need to pull together and present a united front for the sake of Davina and for the memeory of Maggie
Right am now going to dig a deep hole and climb in it while you all have a go at me.
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Post by annalee on Mar 30, 2008 18:56:49 GMT 1
Well said crinks, I couldn't have put it better myself, I agree with EXACTLY what you have said!!
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Post by eileen on Mar 30, 2008 20:20:16 GMT 1
annalee, i think you will find it is The LOVE of Money is the root of all evil ! Sorry to be pedantic but i dont think that applies here. Several people on here sat in court with Davina, they saw her pain and witnessed her bravery and also heard the absolutely disgusting details of the case and saw the perpetraitors, perhaps you can now understand why they are so set on the money going to Davina for a memorial to Maggie as that may in some very small way help Davina with her healing process. Yes its sad there has been some disagreement on here but everything has a reason and feelings run high sometimes when such a terrible thing as this happens. Now might not be the time for Davina to make a decision but some time in the future she may find a way of using the money for her Maggie and i think she should be given the opportunity to do this in her own time and at her own pace with no pressure. Just my humble opinion! eileen x
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Post by st4ffsmum on Mar 30, 2008 20:38:33 GMT 1
Sorry, I haven't been on today, this is the first chance. I will be speaking to Davina personally tomorrow. I will ask her what she wants to do. I asked for PMs so this was done in private by the people that donated. We shouldn't argue, we should be united as horse lovers.No comment until tomorrow.
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Post by st4ffsmum on Mar 30, 2008 20:57:45 GMT 1
WILL YOU LOT JUST LISTEN TO YOURSELVES!!!!! Right now that I have your attention, for heavens sake stop it and stop it now! All this arguing is getting us nowhere and is counterproductive to what we all signed up for. Not to mention how terribly upsetting it must be for Davina to read this thread. We should be thoroughly ashamed of ourselves for lettingthis degenerate into a slanging and shouting match. As far as I can see the best solution might be to split the fund in half and use it for both purposes, or give the whole lot to Davina to use as she thinks fit and no arguing over whatever she decides to do with it. What you all seem to have forgotten is that in order to get this law through we are going to need some kind of fighting fund, in order to employ lawyers and barristers in order to make a challenge to the present law................... and get a judical review and these cost money............and lots of it I'm afraid. Lobby groups and other essentials tp getting this through Parliament are going to cost us. Even if we undertook some or a great deal of the work involved on ourselves we still need at some point to instruct barrsters to act on our behalf. Some of the legal footwork we can do ourselves, but unlwss osmeone has a tame barrister or QC that we can use for free or they are qualified to that degree themselves then we need money. If we are to stand a chance of getting Maggie's Law passed then I for onethink that the money in the fund should be put to this use, after all if it wasn't for the terrible mindlessness of the two little thugs who killed Maggie and devasted Davina then we would not be doing this. This not the time to have a mass falling out when we have come so far in such a short time, we need to pull together and present a united front for the sake of Davina and for the memeory of Maggie Right am now going to dig a deep hole and climb in it while you all have a go at me. Ditto, well said crinks,
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Post by annalee on Mar 30, 2008 21:07:35 GMT 1
Thanks for that eileen, I was one of the supporters who was sat in the court listening to the harrowing details of that fatal night, an experience that we stay with me for a long long time I saw the guilty party and witnessed Davina's pain.
I totally understand peoples views and request as to where the money should go ,I just don't agree with the arguing, we should all be pulling together!!
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Post by eileen on Mar 30, 2008 21:39:43 GMT 1
And i agree with you too annalee, its so sad but if things had been done right then it wouldnt have happened but its not too late to get things back on track and lets hope that will be done, big hugs for you as i heard just how harrowing the day was. We have had Justice for Maggie so lets now have Peace for Davina eh? eileen x
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Post by crinks on Mar 30, 2008 22:11:53 GMT 1
Have jsut been talking to afriendof mine, retired barrister, who is willing to give help and advice as he can, although he specialised in criminal law, he can help on points such as research, drafting letters and presenting our case by ourselves, this wouldrequire some considerableresearch and complilation, but I am willingtodo the legwork if you all like, and I can then give you all the outlines of what we ned to do, how we need to present findingsand how (most inportantly of all ) we present our case for an officiaol jusdical review of the current laws, its not going to be easy and its not a quick process could take us years, but we will and can win this one.
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Post by varkie on Mar 31, 2008 11:23:29 GMT 1
What a very nasty, poisonous little thread. It reminds me why I recently took a break from posting on here, and hardly post anymore. Shame on a number of posters.
I don't really, truly see what the deal is. The money is being safely held, and all contributors are being asked what they'd like to happen to their share. I'm sure legal advice will be taken, and the funds redistributed/held/whatever in accordance with the law and contibutors wishes.
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Post by davinabowyer on Mar 31, 2008 15:06:54 GMT 1
Hello everyone firstly might i just say how sad i feel about Maggies reward fund being in dispute in such a way that i feel compelled to post on this forum, i've gained great strength from you all in the awful circumstances i lost my beautiful girl and i'm very greatful to everyone for their support and donations.
I've received lot's of letter's from people who are not all equine people expressing their disgust at this limp wristed nanny state hypocrisy sentencing purporting to be the law
Having now got that off my chest and not having posted on the DG since before the sentencing i hope you will now understand why.
Whilst the donations were very much appreciated i can never lay claim to the money being mine.
My only concern now is that what happend to Maggie should not and can not happen again, so with this in mind 'I' would like Maggies reward money to go into a fighting fund to help change the law from this namby - pamby law which exists now, to something which will be called MAGGIE LAW in doing this hopefully animals will be better protected.
So through all the pain, heartache and emotion i have been through i hope this goes some way in helping you all to make a decision.
Davina xx
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Post by rhillahorse on Mar 31, 2008 15:56:02 GMT 1
I would be happy to go along with this.
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Post by annalee on Mar 31, 2008 16:20:54 GMT 1
Maggies Law has my vote
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Post by st4ffsmum on Mar 31, 2008 16:38:10 GMT 1
Davina and Maggie were the reason this money was raised, Davina should receive the cheque for the full amount raised and do with it what she sees fit and as she has stated she would like to see the funds go to an effective nonprofit organisation dedicated to helping other owners and horses in the same predicament. There are other owners like Jo with Roxy waiting? Lets help others like Maggie and Davina???
I think the arguing should stop now, its not very nice and I am fed up with it.
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Post by madmare1 on Mar 31, 2008 16:47:01 GMT 1
Now we can start....Let's get this campaign rolling.
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Post by crinks on Mar 31, 2008 17:22:02 GMT 1
I agree with Davina's decison exactly....................... now lets start the work we have set ourselves and brng Maggies Law into being
No more arguing, no more backbiting lets roll sleeves up and start planning how we are going to do this.
We need to be ultra organised on this, get the act together and start ...................... everything and I mean EVERYTHING we do and campaign for will be scrutinised and pored over, we will be asked questions and we had better have the answers to them,no hmmming and ahhhing over the answers, we need to have information available to us and we need to put our case clearly consisely and without emotions........................ I know that last bit sounds very cruel as we all feel very strongly about this but emotional pleading cuts no ice in a court, especially when you are asking for a judical review and thats where we have to start.
We need people to be appointed to be spokespersons, people to write letters, people to help fundraise and everyone to give and commit themselves 100% to this. There will be days when we wonder why on earth we started this, we will be actively discouraged from going any furhter, but once we have started then we don;t stop until the day we can stand on the steps of the High Courts of Justice and crack a bottle of champagne and shour YIPPEE we did it at the tops of our voices!
Maggies Law begins here!
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