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Post by Amanda Dolby on Aug 22, 2007 10:38:28 GMT 1
Hi Lohan Feel Yes i think your explaination is a large part of what I have in mind, though not wholey, if truth be known, what I was trying to describe in the thread. Though I am not "heavily " involved with martial arts I do take part. I request of the student to describe specificaly what they percieve that they feel in order that they may understand an effect. I encourage an open attitude and appart from the physical feel of their own movements and the movement of the horse they are welcome to describe and discuss if wished any emotional or "spiritual" feeling they have. . An awareness of these things can be quite a shock for some but as you say it is a life skill that is useful and subject to continuous practice and improvement- like equitation. Oh and this equitation lark should be fun as well as deeply rewarding.
Not sure if it is common amongst horsey people but I have met more than a fair few. There are some very high level students of Qui gong ( they travel from all over the world to study with this particular teacher)where I keep my horses and a few of them ride. This year particularly we seem to have got talking because they see what they see as me "meditating" while I ride and handle the horses. I have been invited to join a 2 week course on the ( I may be wrong here) The Light Pearl and some other form of meditation " feel " it has a lot to do with healing - I am honoured but sadly this year I am doing something else that clashes. Folks who know me from the past may be a tad shocked by these revelations but life is journey and we move on! What form of martial art do you study?
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Post by lohan on Aug 22, 2007 11:13:47 GMT 1
I study Shaolin gongfu / qigong and Chen Taijiquan with the Shaolin monks, but I'm also interested in the exercises of the Mikkyo monks, although it is quite difficult to get real info on that without joining the monastic order. But they have an amazing level of feel and control over their body - levels that most people wouldn't even think possible.
It sounds like we have a similar concept of applying these skills. Interesting :-)
Anyway, sorry sue for taking it off topic!
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Post by suewhitmore on Aug 22, 2007 11:22:17 GMT 1
Lohan, Amanda, that's fine - there's already some really interesting things coming out of it for me - especially difference in training methods. I would think most people are finding the same, given thenumber of views the thread has had.
However, I would say that although you need to be *aware* of the basics in every lesson, there is no way you are going to be able to teach an entire riding system in one lesson - so if the lesson is specific - as this one is - it is absolutely right to expect the necessary level of prior skill from the rider.
I know nothing about martial arts, but I did think (from watching those daft films) that the ability to focus was necessary. Well, I think, in teaching or learning riding you need to be able to focus on specifics as well as being aware of the general.
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Post by Amanda Dolby on Aug 22, 2007 11:36:45 GMT 1
Well Sue be it consious / aware what ever you choose of course you can't teach an entire riding system in one lesson! .....or can you? - maybe the system is just "get on and see what happens then sort of deal with it" _ My ex would have fitted into this- LOL To be honest there are rather a lot of "instructors" out there who teach in this fashion eh? The following belowed ain varying decibels "hup you get now just relax and ...oh dear get back on you have to fall off alot before you get "it"" "NO RELAX" "NO TOO RELAXED" "turn left, turn right, stop go, go faster, don't fall off , grip , don't grip, aim at the jump and just go with the flow!" Client- "what should it be like?" Teacher - "you'll know when you get it" ETC! - yes you can do a whole system in one lesson! "oh you stayed on - well you're a rider now aren't you?" A bit exagerated but too often true. I get the aftermath .........
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Post by suewhitmore on Aug 22, 2007 11:44:24 GMT 1
That may be true, but not what we're doing here.
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Post by Amanda Dolby on Aug 22, 2007 11:53:34 GMT 1
Oh spoil sport!
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Post by Derek Clark on Aug 22, 2007 12:54:35 GMT 1
Since we seem to be having a "Zen" moment... " To teach the beginning well we must know the end - and since our understanding of the end is constantly evolving, so does our teaching of the beginning..." Derek
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Post by Amanda Dolby on Aug 22, 2007 13:13:49 GMT 1
- ah Derek I likes that do I!
On an aside - could one (yes), would one( if we chose) consider being patronised as a form of bullying? May start a new thread - just wondering what other opinion may be
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Post by suewhitmore on Aug 22, 2007 13:20:24 GMT 1
Derek, I love that too.
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Post by Derek Clark on Aug 22, 2007 13:55:36 GMT 1
Hi Amanda, To answer that, you'd have to de-nominalise "being patronised" and "bullying", (turn them back into processes, rather than nouns...). Then we'd need to evaluate the processes against our personal (individual, & possibly collective) values and beliefs... So the anwer is... maybe! Derek
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Post by sarahfox on Aug 22, 2007 20:02:33 GMT 1
nice quote derek!
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Post by suewhitmore on Aug 22, 2007 21:00:07 GMT 1
Memo to self - Sarah has 3 bonus points
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Post by trudi on Aug 22, 2007 21:37:19 GMT 1
still like all mine and I had assumed in my brief that if the rider was able to move with the horse through transitions etc that they are able to perform the canter transition!! I also expect that a rider who can use my system of half halting KNOWS how to feel the canter stride and is able to time their aids, otherwise they have been wasting both of our time. I would always explain what a movement is before asking a rider to try and ride it but it's a good point that I missed out in my attempt at brevity. Trudi OK Sue, brain not quite in gear but I did find my post!! So I think it's fairly self explanatory. In thinking of the flying change taking us forward to the tempi's then I wouldn't change my recipe, I feel that even though Heather's idea of not teaching the change through a seat aid is valid, I can't see how moving the leg doesn't change the weight in the seatbone, so basically, same thing, just different instructions to the rider. However, I do think using the leg as an aid can result in just as much contortion of the riders body. Basically if your canter departs are good, you can count a stride correctly and you are not 'swinging' the legs (of course to a small degree they will 'swing' with the natural movement of the horse) then the tempis will surely be a natural progression. Like I said Sue, I've never taught anyone tempis and so it is pure conjecture from what I have learned myself. Oh I wish there were students who stuck with it long enough to ever get near to flying changes, let alone tempis. Trudi
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Post by suewhitmore on Aug 22, 2007 21:57:07 GMT 1
Trudi, What you said *is* self explanatory, but what I *needed* was for people to look at the *summary spreadsheet* and see if I've got the summarised points - which are meant to be one factor at a time - correct for them. If I haven't, I need to change the wording or the allocations before I start scoring. I put the summary on the first post so it is easy to find.
So for you - you are number 18 - I have summarised your points as Independent seat Able to perform simple change C-W-C Confirmed in counter counter Able to ride/maintain bend/flexion Able to perform half halt
But if you think I've missed the feel out, then just give me a short header to go on the table.
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Post by trudi on Aug 22, 2007 22:10:21 GMT 1
Sue, that's what I based the answer on, basically saying that my pre-requisites would assume that numbers 2, 4 and 8 (I know you didn't number them but I'm too darned lazy to write them out long hand) had to be in situ for my other pre-reqs to hold true. Otherwise you were spot on translating mine but I did think I missed the fact that it would be good to verify the rider understood what flying changes were (oh gawd, don't know what number that was and I ain't going back to page one again) so credit to whoever said that! I think Amanda D should be grateful that she isn't doing scores, just being a bl**dy contestant is doing me in, goodness knows how you're coping Sue
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