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Post by heather on Aug 20, 2007 23:06:38 GMT 1
Am I allowed to answer yet, or will it be straight into the naughty corner? ;D Heather
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Post by heather on Aug 20, 2007 23:10:29 GMT 1
. Lord, that counts me out as a rider then, I have at least three left feet on a dance floor!!!! Heather
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Post by suewhitmore on Aug 20, 2007 23:28:37 GMT 1
Heather PLEASE do!!
You are very graceful, even though you keep denying it, you move *like * a dancer even if you think you can't dance.
I do think what we liked about KFH was it all looked *so right* in the books, it just seems that he has gone a bit bonkers.
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Post by trudi on Aug 21, 2007 5:59:00 GMT 1
KFH has gone bonkers, oh no how sad. I really felt inspired to 'try' things after reading his book and yes, lovely pics...sorry I digress.
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Post by sarahfox on Aug 21, 2007 7:47:04 GMT 1
trudi, The books still valid!! he's just turning into some sort of guru,( I'm on his course)(was)!!
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Post by butterfly on Aug 21, 2007 8:29:12 GMT 1
Sounds like you might be regretting your decision to leave the course Sarahfox!! he he Did I hear you say something good about KFH!!!! Pleeeeeeeeeeeze come to Denmark!!!!
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Post by sarahfox on Aug 21, 2007 9:34:00 GMT 1
Did I say something good??!! oh no! must have slipped out!! All the stuff in his book is working fab with my neddies,I cant deny that,just think he is running the whole course wrong,too many people no horses,and as I said before,not seen any great horse work from him either. Butterfly,you know I love you,but will cost me a fortune to go to denmark!!!
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Post by geeup on Aug 21, 2007 10:08:02 GMT 1
Have loved this thread, well done for starting it, but just don't know enougth to contribute any more.
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Post by Amanda Dolby on Aug 21, 2007 10:35:58 GMT 1
OK I agree about the lack schoolmasters so unfortunately we will have to muddle along the best we can unfortunately. There was never an incling of schoolmaster by my definition during my BHS training - thus the gaps. These gaps are getting much much much smaller now thankfully. Sadly in the world of education in many areas today one sees youngsters having just completed degrees straight from A levels then going on to teaching at Degree level with no hands on experience That is my personal opinion of most BHS training- though I'm sure there are exceptions. Please note Set up that the figure 8 with a straight line toward A would be chosen for a "this is what it feels like" excercise - the lesson would come along the wall in a straight line as mentioned - but I was late Prerequisits Bit hard to choose from the list- but My rider has already seen Flying change as is so interested in the subject of equitation that she has been studying while not riding! so knows what it is. My rider can feel what lead she is on so knows counter canter etc. is in full control of her body and aware of the effect on the horse the actions she takes has. She can use her rein , seat and leg aids independantlyof each other. Due to "feel" training is highly "body aware"( my obsession and I think I am pretty skilled at teaching this body awareness - too much to write about here but you'd be amazed at how many folk don't know where a pelvic floor or a seat bone is never mind a hip flexor and I aim to go much further than that) she has also been trained to release as opposed to take with the "aids" Definately knows what straight is. Fairly sober!
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Post by lohan on Aug 21, 2007 10:56:21 GMT 1
As a side point, I'd like to hear the body awareness training as I believe it can be overlooked as people train mechanical / technical skills. Move your hand / leg / seat bone / whatever, yes that's technically important, but how can you do that unless you've trained how to feel your body. Especially when timing, subtlety and percision are important, as our body feels quicker than our brain thinks. My concern is that people are trying to process in their heads, especially when people start thinking angles etc.
Is it a pre-requisite in that you can't do it without it....? Not sure, even though I put 'feel' as one of my own! But I think its an advantage.
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Post by Amanda Dolby on Aug 21, 2007 11:07:14 GMT 1
Lohan - I'm with you here. Personally how would you know what you had was correct if there was no feel? the instructor could say "correct". Is just mechanically correct beautiful? Would you say at some point it is about "letting go"? we do go through a mechanical stage that is part of learning a new skill.eg learning to drive The joy is attaining conscious competence and then the elation and the beauty from unconscious competence = ART?
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Post by heather on Aug 21, 2007 12:21:28 GMT 1
In my experience, it is not possible to achieve a correct flying change without feel- it is such an essential part of it all, and when doing tempi changes, impossible to achieve without feel.
Are we talking a out a single flying change here, of tempi's as well?
Heather
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Post by sarahfox on Aug 21, 2007 12:45:48 GMT 1
oooh yes!!! tempis are good!! have to move like a puppet!!! boing!boing!boing!boing! leaning over,and throwing whole body from side to side whilst digging alternate spurs in of course,bet thunderbirds would be very good at these??!!
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Post by Amanda Dolby on Aug 21, 2007 13:05:51 GMT 1
er - i assumed we were talking about the riders first experience of a flying change- (on purpose) - I hoped so anyway....
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Post by heather on Aug 21, 2007 13:16:16 GMT 1
For me when I had my schoolmasters here, the rider had to be able to really get the shoulders up, so a good uphill jump in the canter. Again, as with the passage, done by 'sucking the back up' with the seat, but not unilaterally this time. For most people on a schoolmaster, easiest place is across the diagonal changing at X.
So assuming a good jump in the canter has been achieved, I do not ask for weight aids- too often leads to riders chucking themselves about which will make the horse go crooked- I would ask the rider to flex the horse slightly say to the left if changing right to left, and brush right leg slightly back but with no pressure, (as a horse trained to lateral work, which it would be if it could do changes, would bring quarters in) a little more pressure with left leg at girth to maintain jump and impulsion.
One of the best examples of flying changes being ridden and commented on, is in Kalman de Jurenak's video, Classical Schooling 2. This is no longer available, but is being brought out again on DVD with Classical Schooling 1, next month, at my behest- the film makers are friends of mine in Germany- as I know it will still sell here! Fantastic riding by Hans Heinrich Meyer zu Strohen, I wore out three copies when it was just a video, using it as a visual aid to students!
Heather
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