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Post by Susan on Jul 26, 2007 22:04:07 GMT 1
Cant wait to hear the answer Finn. Rubber chickens?
June I see long lining how you see Melissa doing with Flynn ( as on video) and that can be driving them from behind or working at the side. That is the beauty of it to me anyway and you can change rein so easy. So I suppose it is like Derek and you have said. I judged LL based on how I know it, and no doubt SueW will be same.
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Post by june on Jul 26, 2007 22:30:28 GMT 1
That's what I call long lining too Susan but some people call that double line lunging. Depends on your definition!
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Post by Persianhorse on Jul 26, 2007 22:33:24 GMT 1
Hi:
If we use hobbles , lines , clicker trainings and any kind of tool is because of the man made problems when a horse becomes a kicker and he/she will kill some one or a horse in a near future or it will damage to him/her self I have to use some kind of tool to cure this problem I use hobbles but that dose not mean I put the poor horse into hobbles for hours I use clicker training and hobbles together to cure the kicker problem don't get me wrong please.
Until we don't come up to the conclusion that all these problems are man made we wont be able to understand deeply about horses we have to agree on what ever is done we are responsible and we have to Oblige and Undertake our Responsibilities.
The Nature of Tools are not Bad and Negative or Good and Positive the Positive and Negative of any Tool is when a certain tool is who's hands and how that person uses that tool.
For Example: A knife could be in the hands of a Surgeon to remove a tumor or in the hands of a killer that's the main difference. There are some tools or actions taken by man lets say for Horses which is wrong no matter in who's hands is it (in my point of view the whip) this tool is bad and negative no matter in who's hands is it. I can bring so many examples which are in the same category and I think that is the main goal being IH.
Horses did not come to existence for human to ride,jump,polo,dressage,cutting,roping with the weight of a saddle and the rider if they are capable of doing so much for us is because they are so great and honorable therefore for doing all those things we have to train them and train them as best as we can and as early as possible.
There are much to say but I don't want to give you guys a headache.
Take care.
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Post by Derek Clark on Jul 27, 2007 0:09:19 GMT 1
Hi Finn: Well, like it says on the site, it serves as a marvellous reminder never to take ourselves too seriously... Doesn't everyone??? Derek
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Post by Derek Clark on Jul 27, 2007 0:13:35 GMT 1
Hi Persianhorse,
I think we share the same thoughts... ;D
Take care,
Derek
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Post by fin on Jul 27, 2007 0:23:11 GMT 1
Hi Finn: Well, like it says on the site, it serves as a marvellous reminder never to take ourselves too seriously... Doesn't everyone??? Derek Erm..... Well, I never really get to ride any more. Obviously since I am rubber chickenless, this is probably a Good Thing! Actually I'd be more likely to have a note in my pocket that said 'In case of emergency, please rescue the horse. He is totally clueless out in the real world and will probably try to kill you. However, if you FAIL to rescue the horse, I WILL kill you. Your choice.' Mind you, I learned a long time ago never to take myself seriously Do you think real chickens would do as well as rubber ones?
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Post by Derek Clark on Jul 27, 2007 0:37:02 GMT 1
Nice! You sound as daft as we are... ;D Nah, if you stuffed one of those in your pocket all the flapping would act as an impulsive leg
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Post by suewhitmore on Jul 27, 2007 7:50:00 GMT 1
Why is Craig Stevens selling rubber chickens on his site, and does he really ride with one in his pocket??? Now that has made me kindly inclined towards the man! To my mind, that means "Don't take yourself so seriously!" I might buy one, I wonder if he'd bring me one across - I need something new to take to my son's parents' evenings. (I've offered blown up rubber gloves to shake, worn plastic spiders in my hair and a "scream mask" on various occassions.) My son always says "What did she say?", "What did she do?" to his father, usually followed by an agonised "She didn't did she?". My theory is that they will think my son is amazingly sane compared to his mother.....
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Post by suewhitmore on Jul 27, 2007 8:11:47 GMT 1
sueW also said: Ooh! Would you like them to, just so you can find out? I know where there's a Terraxipus going spare... Derek I don't know what a terraxipus is! And no, I don't want to find out. I had enough experience of bucking horses when I was young and had to ride other people's horses. Your comment made it occur to me that altho' I don't consider myself in any way a horse trainer, I put a great deal of effort into ensuring my horses behave appropriately, just as I have put a huge amount of effort into bringing my children up to be well mannered and considerate. So the horses can buck, rear, fight - do whatever they want when they are liberty in the field, but when they are under saddle, it just doesn't enter their heads. I honestly believe (but is it true ) that starting horses under saddle later, at five or more, means their heads are in the right place to be ridden - they are nearly grown up - and their bodies can cope with the physical demands.
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Post by Zuzan on Jul 27, 2007 8:27:59 GMT 1
Have to say I think anyone who has anything to do with horses is a trainer to a lesser or greater extent..
It's How we train and What we train (sub conciously as well as conciously) IMHO
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Post by Derek Clark on Jul 27, 2007 8:28:20 GMT 1
SueW said: And yet you don't have a rubber chicken in your pocket... I'd say you've certainly earned one (for not taking self too seriously...) Derek PS:The Terraxipus just got bad press! He(?) was absolutely worshipped in Roman times. In fact, you'd probably sympathise as a former (is that right?) BHS and ABRS examiner. lol ;D
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Post by janetgeorge on Jul 27, 2007 9:06:24 GMT 1
I honestly believe (but is it true ) that starting horses under saddle later, at five or more, means their heads are in the right place to be ridden - they are nearly grown up - and their bodies can cope with the physical demands. I think there's a fair bit of truth in that. In the past two years, we've backed a couple of MUCH older horses - two ten year olds and an 8 year old. One of the 10 year olds had sat in a field doing absolutely NOTHING all her life (and that included an almost complete lack of handling!) She was incredibly nervous - still is about some things - but she was a dream to back (just don't try putting a tail bandage on her!) The other 10 year old - also a mare - had been a brood mare and been shown in hand. She was quite 'sharp' at the groundwork stage and we expected fireworks - but from the day we got on her she was practically a beginner's horse. But then a lot of 3 year olds are the same. The big difference is that you can progress a bit faster with the older horse - a 3 year old is more easily unsettled if you go too fast or expect too much.
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Post by Amanda Dolby on Jul 27, 2007 13:22:11 GMT 1
Ah, now, the rubber chicken.. THE secret of equitation- Duh didn't you know that ?!!
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Post by Amanda Dolby on Jul 27, 2007 13:26:40 GMT 1
Also is Graig still selling Equitation Police caps.?
The idea being if something is not working quite right at the moment or we are a bit scruffy today or we make a daft statement etc etc
NOBODY is going to call the "Equitation Police"
Phew thank goodness for that!
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Post by Cobstar on Jul 27, 2007 16:25:33 GMT 1
I like that - Equitation Police caps ROFL. Given my basic Asda £1.50 job took off into Rye Harbour a couple of weeks ago, never to be seen again, perhaps I should treat myself to one LOL! Also is Graig still selling Equitation Police caps.? The idea being if something is not working quite right at the moment or we are a bit scruffy today or we make a daft statement etc etc NOBODY is going to call the "Equitation Police" Phew thank goodness for that! Once, a very long time ago, I did go and spectate at one of Craig's clinics at the Unicorn Trust's wonderful facilities. The barn of carriages was stupendous. And so was the marvellous food - YUM. The lecture on the Friday evening was fascinating. And Craig's company and discourse at dinner on the Saturday evening was very interesting. Perry Wood was there too. I was in horsey heaven listening to the friendly and constructive discussion and arguments. Craig is very entertaining and very generous with his time and extensive knowledge. What I saw in the ridden work wasn't for me at the time. I posted at length on another forum at the time, so I won't repeat myself now. I've got limited time and resources so I want to spend it somewhere that is in harmony with where I see my equestrian journey. But we all learn and move on in our journeys and maybe at some time in the future our paths will cross again.
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