nimmo
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Post by nimmo on May 9, 2006 9:59:00 GMT 1
Just a quick note for anyone else who wasn't actually at this show, it was one of the quietest shows I've been to !!!!!. Very subdued and lacking in atmosphere especially on Saturday, yes there was the occassional horse who was whooped and cheered but none were distressed. The DC's were extremely vocal in shutting people up especially when near the collecting ring, it's always going to be a bone of contention BUT and it's a huge BUT , there was NO bag waving , chasing horses, banging on sides at all and yes I was at this show.
As for the young lady who unfortunately came off, her horse was in the authentic costume class and was in full gallop (as put into by the rider which she has done many times) unfortunately as she cornered her saddle slipped and she had no choice but to bail out. he was understandably shook up and galloped until he calmed down, the crowd was deadly silent after the initial gasp of horror and more concerned about the young lady and the safety of her horse. He was, by the way for anyone who's interested, caught and didn't have a mark on him and was absolutely fine after being thoroughly checked over.
By the way was Vodolej traumatised after going in the ring.
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Post by amma on May 9, 2006 13:27:13 GMT 1
uppity
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Post by kas on May 9, 2006 13:31:52 GMT 1
Fascinating how you can get two completely different views from people who were both in the same place. Cameo said "I was at this show last w/e (taking a workshop) and was rather surprised by how the audience all whooped and drummed their heels as each Arab came in. The poor horses were basically in flight mode the whole time it seemed to me. It was so difficult for any horse to show off it's trot as whenever it came near the gallery - the whoops and yells made it break stride and canter."
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Post by Cameo on May 9, 2006 17:30:55 GMT 1
Sjade - sorry, I wasn't there on Saturday - but will look through my photos for the veterans - were you holding the mare - can you tell me who was (male/femal/ 20s/40s etc)?
Everyone DID go qiuet after the young girl fell off - but it was quite a distressed horse - the way he knocked people over...and I stood next to some of the bangers/ whoopers and the DC whilst they had their "discussion" so did hear actual comments.
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sjade
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Post by sjade on May 9, 2006 18:43:58 GMT 1
Hi - mare was in the Championship only with me - I was with her, grey mare (white!) and I was all in black, black shirt, blondish hair!
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Post by Cameo on May 9, 2006 19:02:53 GMT 1
Aaargh - you all wore black and there was more than one of you with blondish hair!! I have a feeling I didn't catch any of you - but my friend may have (and she had a better camera) - I'll ask! I have SO many photos too! I'll trawl through properly soon and post them if I find any. Lots of a veteran mare with a bald-ish chap holding her - he also went in later with a rose grey stallion. You didn't hold any ohter horses did you? Nice one of a girl answering your description holding a young black/dark bay...and a grey stallion later...
I know I'm liklely to have had one - but I have deleted all the blurred ones when I downloaded them. It is difficult to take photos without a flash in an indoor school.
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Post by Cameo on May 9, 2006 19:13:52 GMT 1
All I can find is a (balding) chap with a grey mare, a girl with black trousers and a pink shirt (blond hair) with a grey mare and a girl all in black with blondish hair, with a black mare...I'll email my friend...I was at the collecting ring you see.
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Post by becky88 on May 9, 2006 20:47:48 GMT 1
Hi Dad is the Chairman of the North West Group and i have been going to arab shows ever since i was born and this is what everyone does, i can understand that some horses get scared but too some professionals needs must, however i was showing in the junior gelding, the yearling fillies, and the mare classes and yes there will be noise but my horses love it, the more the better, my gelding simpling will not show if there is no crowd, he hates silence. Also this noise doesn't happen in the ridden ring, there has now been a split between the ridden and inhand people, and many none horsey people including my gran and grandad said how they loved the inhand part (much more exciting). Horses in the inhand must be shown on a long lead this help show off their movement, if they do break from trot which if they are trained they should then give a tug. Plus jenny who was riding Azlal in the authentic costume was fine and Azlal wasn't trumatised afterwards he was back to his cheery self biteing his breeder nigel. Azlal is 19yrs now he has been in the ring since he was a baby, no noise would bother him it was just that jenny unfortunately didn't tighten his girth. Vodolej the veteran absolutely loves the crowd he wasn't one bit bothered, and he then went back to the stable for a munch on some straw and a kip. He is are main star at the show sally was going to retire him 4yrs ago however is no 1 of the show, it wouldn't be the same without Vodi.
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Post by Karon on May 9, 2006 20:52:48 GMT 1
I hate seeing spectators winding up Arabs at Arab shows It really doesn't do the breed's reputation any good and it's so unfair on those horses who will do a perfect show without needing to be hyped up. Yes, it is perfectly possible, I've seen it but only with those handlers who are very good. If Arab breeders want to be taken seriously by the rest of the horse world, this sort of thing isn't going to help at all. I had a discussion with a very anti-Arab person about this 20+ years ago, and I'm afraid all her arguments against the breed would be shown to be justified if she went to many Arab shows now. I've seen some extremely bad behaviour from handlers and their crowd in the past, and to be honest it does put me off going to the shows. I'd certainly never take one of mine to put up with this - even though most of mine would probably just stand there and doze off! I can only make a generalised comment as I wasn't at this show, but to me there's no call for the shouting, bag waving and general winding up anyway.
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Post by becky88 on May 9, 2006 20:58:07 GMT 1
Here is a picture of my gelding [/img]C:\Documents and Settings\Rebecca\My Documents\My Pictures\nav classic.bmp [/img]
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Post by kas on May 9, 2006 21:05:10 GMT 1
Can't see any photo I have to agree with Karon. Why set a standard of wound-up horses where they are believed to be "showing" themselves well? Why not set a standard of how the horse behaves with normal handling and no outside interference? Even if you think that the horses enjoy it, and it makes them show themselves at their best ( ) surely outside assistance should be frowned on. No, the stewards aren't strict. If they were it wouldn't happen. This is one case where Arab enthusiasts are doing nothing to promote a good image of the breed. Modified to add - Might as well just stick ginger up their backsides and be done with it.
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Post by becky88 on May 9, 2006 21:21:38 GMT 1
Sorry can't get the picture up, stewards are told no plastic bags which there weren't and no bottles, however there was, but our steward natalie stop them people on 3 occassions. However cheering is allowed. Banging is tried to be kept to a minimium however stewards are ignored by most people. I agree stop by all means if the horse is scared but my horse loves noise, however he moves then people cheer for him not the other way round. Most professionals now have to wind their horses up, but unlike aboard we doen't have someone in the ring chasing the horse up and down the ring with a stick which i think is discusting. I also agree with nimmo the atmosphere at this show was quite, if any of you go to the all nations then you will see what really happens.
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Post by kas on May 9, 2006 21:28:37 GMT 1
It's too late for the Arabs, it's already accepted that "most professionals now have to wind their horses up". I just think it's so sad that people can look at wound up horses as being an ideal, rather than show them in a natural state. Arabs are very beautiful when showing themselves off, without the need to wind them up. What sort of mentality prevails when a whole community of "horse lovers" thinks that it is acceptable to show their horses as wound up, head in the air and slightly off their heads? I wouldn't go to the All Nations, I think it might make me ashamed to be an Arab lover.
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Post by becky88 on May 9, 2006 21:46:12 GMT 1
I do it because i love to show my horses, and i love it when i do well, i can't stop people doing it and as long as people are winning doing it that way nothing will change. Not even i like watching trainers with their horses not when ive seen what they do, but i and am sure many others don't do that. Even i beat S Jade enjoyed herself if her horses did well, i was over the moon when my gelding won, thats why i compete.
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Post by Donnalex on May 9, 2006 21:56:09 GMT 1
Might explain why a lot of the Arabs you meet are barking!
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