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Post by lizpurlo on Sept 20, 2014 18:25:20 GMT 1
I think boredom can be an issue with a bright youngster. Have you got transport - could you load up and take him off for a ride out somewhere else? I'm another one who tends to jump off and lead rather than put up with a fruitless struggle, I feel that at least we're still moving in the direction I want to, so I'm still dictating the pace! I used to have a very quirky Section D who would nap and run backwards and half buck when he hadn't been ridden for a bit, and the best way I found to cope was just to hop off and lead for a bit, staying very unconcerned and unconfrontational,then get back on again as if nothing had happened when he looked more relaxed. He was always fine the next day, would never have to get off again.
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Post by crazycolt on Sept 20, 2014 21:37:32 GMT 1
Interesting, do you know, thinking about keeping him thinking, when there have been 'scary' things, he's not thought about stopping, wants to investigate. Had a chat to a someone (won't say who) today, and told her my concern about stopping just before I may have got a result, and she agreed. Thanks janwilky, more to think about, and yes, ponies and cobs, the number of people who I met when out with William who said, Whoa, give me a horse any day, those little things are too clever by half - too much thinking for themselves! And my foot trimmer, who says, well, who wanted a Welsh 'D?!' Watching my video back on the computer, amazing, can see much more:) - noticed that when I tapped his rump with my 'stick' his ears went back, and he gave a little tiny buck, which I knew, but chose to ignore, big mistake, maybe, I think that is my sticking point, and I'm going to carefully try to push him past it! It looks like that is the point where he could be saying, don't want - make me! After all, if his mum nipped his rump to move him on, he'd listen to her, pretty sharpish, so will give it a go, and report back! x
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Post by janwilky on Sept 20, 2014 22:50:12 GMT 1
Ha ha good luck Crazycolt, it sounds like you may have got yourself a clever cob there You know who has taught me the most about intention? Coco, our retired gelding who can control 600 kilo Lucas and feisty mare Bambi - both at the same time and with the slightest flick of an ear in each direction! They don't even think of arguing with him, they have the hugest respect for him and they dote on him but my goodness they move when he tells them to. He's the slowest and the weakest of the three, but neither of them will pass him on the track however much they'd like to gallop past. I've learned so much by watching him, though I wish I could use my ears like he does!
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Post by jen1 on Sept 20, 2014 23:09:05 GMT 1
Ha ha good luck Crazycolt, it sounds like you may have got yourself a clever cob there You know who has taught me the most about intention? Coco, our retired gelding who can control 600 kilo Lucas and feisty mare Bambi - both at the same time and with the slightest flick of an ear in each direction! They don't even think of arguing with him, they have the hugest respect for him and they dote on him but my goodness they move when he tells them to. He's the slowest and the weakest of the three, but neither of them will pass him on the track however much they'd like to gallop past. I've learned so much by watching him, though I wish I could use my ears like he does! So taking the ear think, call me daft but I feel my power of intention in my sterum, and belly and project my intention ,
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Post by crazycolt on Sept 21, 2014 9:43:52 GMT 1
Thanks both, yes, he's cleverer than I am, and therein lies the problem! As for moving and intention, I obviously have a lot to work on. Interestingly, he's not the boss at home, little Senior Madam is, so if she has a go at him, he chases the dog. Maybe he's twigged that she bosses him, but he can boss me!! Anthropomorphism at work again! But yes, taking him out somewhere different I think would help a lot, so I've a lot to work on! Think the most frustrating thing that I need to get over is the fact that a great day is followed by a not great day! Yes, I know that's horses for you, but I'm still learning!! x
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Post by jen1 on Sept 21, 2014 12:36:25 GMT 1
Senior madam has much to teach you too , like she has morgan ! All the answers are in your own writing in this thread, regardless of anyones input! He isnt cleverer than you he is just better at being a horse,in my experience with cobs with. Mind of there own, aka not ruined , you need to match and bounce back in split seconds timing there energy level, or be bigger on intention , put it this way I can see why folk loose there temper , give a cob like anything, I was going to say millimeter , before you know it they have you trained to fit there ethos aka way of being , all you need to do is think stay stead fast in your desision before you commit,and when you have got committed , and tbh honest a good throp with intention might work and as long as its just once with conviction and he knows you mean it , might mean your taken seriously , if you would like to learn intention come and play with my herd , lol, anyone want to slate me for saying at times a wallop or whip wop , might work, slate away mi dears xx not my usual style I have no need to , I have intention , ha ha
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Post by hislordshipsmum on Sept 21, 2014 12:45:26 GMT 1
Interesting reading about "intention", no exactly what you mean, but it made me think and realise for the last 10 years our "intention" with Harry was to use our body language to keep him calm, chilled and make everything "boring" to help get/keep his energy/adrenalin levels down. Now my "intention" is to up the energy - so I suppose looking at it from his point of view it is very confusing!!
Yesterday I long lined him in field and he had loads of energy because for some reason the hedge was particularly scary yesterday! Today took him for a ride, energy very low whilst riding but when I got off and immediately asked for a trot in-hand energy was high and did a lovely trot, got back on energy went way down again, although I felt my "intention" was the same. In the end I had to growl at him to get a trot. No exactly what you mean crazycolt about 'frustration' of not having the consistency of responses from day to day.
I don't have transport but know that if we did take Harry somewhere new without a load of preparation beforehand he would totally freak. He has never been able to cope with change at the best of times, although he is a lot better now than when we first got him.
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Post by jen1 on Sept 21, 2014 12:59:56 GMT 1
Your interpitation on my word, intention (yes I own it) 0)), is very different from what I mean by it, I mean it in a non doing way more that I am herd leader /partner , it like a loose cannon is not an option, I mainly deal with herds on my own , getting them in as a herd, and seperating them off to go into the correct stable or area , its like a light I have that shines from my core, or belly button action I call , lol. I have a belief system nothing will go wrong , atm it's a doddle cos I only have 9 horses to deal with, but ive done it with between 14 and 16 horses at one time, , I will say this though , intention comes from focus , focus is often given back to handlers in equal measures , focus is when learning intention very hard for everyone , I cannot speak or think about external things or things that are not to do with the job in hand ,when im playing piped piper to 10 plus horses ,
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Post by jen1 on Sept 21, 2014 13:02:57 GMT 1
Mta liberty often , and I mean liberty without food reward will give you true measure of what affect you have over your horse, asin how much beleif he has in your intention , it will range from wet lettuce to rod of iron with soft focus, its my zone talk coming out now, lol
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Post by jen1 on Sept 21, 2014 13:04:17 GMT 1
Anyone want to play a game on actual events, ? See what happens
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Post by jen1 on Sept 21, 2014 13:06:56 GMT 1
Nowadays id be inclined to in harrys situation is just to do it, let him freak calm down and then come home , dont ask anything more of him, funny enough I used to think that about my wbs , when I changec my tune everything very well ,
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Post by Deleted on Sept 21, 2014 19:14:48 GMT 1
tbh honest a good throp with intention might work and as long as its just once with conviction and he knows you mean it , might mean your taken seriously , if you would like to learn intention come and play with my herd , lol, anyone want to slate me for saying at times a wallop or whip wop , might work, slate away mi dears xx not my usual style I have no need to , I have intention , ha ha Too damned right I'm going to slate you. This is the INTELLIGENT HORSEMANSHIP Discussion Group. A 'good throp' or a wallop is NOT acceptable advice. Hit your own horses if your concience allows you to, but do not advise others to do so, lol or not. I am not going to get into a discussion on anything here, but crazycob I'll have a look at your problem and come up with some better advice for you. As you know, it's been a hard week and I've stuff to catch up on. Give me a couple of days.
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Post by clipclop on Sept 21, 2014 19:58:02 GMT 1
Y'know, I find a lot of cobs eager to please but often the 'lazy' part is merely lack of understanding.
I have dealt with 'problem' horses often and have had great success. The best horse I own was recommended to be pts as a 4yo due to being dangerous under saddle.
In total contrast I have a 4yo cob mare. I bought her 'unspoilt' (and uncared for) from pikeys in somewhat of a state as a filly and she, like all cobs, is very intelligent. I backed her absolutely single handedly and am proud to say she has taken everything in her stride including hacking out alone. Why was I so successful with her? I ensured she understood exactly what I meant at every step before moving on to the next. Ground work was done daily. I don't mean I took her in the school and drilled her on a line - she was taught in day to day situations such as in the stable or when coming in that she can move sideways, backwards, on the forehand and on the quarters upon request. Often people spend so much time teaching stop, back and over that they forget forwards.
I rarely ride any of mine with a stick (tend to carry a schooling whip out hacking just in case) and none of mine have a fear of a stick as it has never been misused but no whip, carrot stick, leg or command will make a horse go forward successfully if they don't understand the request. 'Go' is the hardest thing horses have to transfer from the ground to under saddle as you cannot mimick the use of legs from on the ground and is where repetition of transitions and lots of praise is required.
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Post by jen1 on Sept 21, 2014 20:20:26 GMT 1
tbh honest a good throp with intention might work and as long as its just once with conviction and he knows you mean it , might mean your taken seriously , if you would like to learn intention come and play with my herd , lol, anyone want to slate me for saying at times a wallop or whip wop , might work, slate away mi dears xx not my usual style I have no need to , I have intention , ha ha Too damned right I'm going to slate you. This is the INTELLIGENT HORSEMANSHIP Discussion Group. A 'good throp' or a wallop is NOT acceptable advice. Hit your own horses if your concience allows you to, but do not advise others to do so, lol or not. I am not going to get into a discussion on anything here, but crazycob I'll have a look at your problem and come up with some better advice for you. As you know, it's been a hard week and I've stuff to catch up on. Give me a couple of days. Ahh, well that would be you assuming the worst liz,as per, I mentioned wip wop, were talking about intention , a good throp of a whip wop either on ones person is usually enough , I suggest you get off your high horse , and calm down
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Post by jen1 on Sept 21, 2014 20:21:35 GMT 1
I also dont see you reading that he has already had taps on the bum ,! No disrespect to op,
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