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Post by portiabuzz on Jun 19, 2014 12:57:41 GMT 1
im a happy FAG too
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Post by antares on Jun 19, 2014 13:06:14 GMT 1
Sounds like a good solution and one which would enable long term members to keep in touch - thank you! I do wonder if one thing has been missed out though - there are a few threads on here about riding, and many RAs don't specialise in this area. There are a few DG contributors who have great experience and have been very free with their advice (such as LisaP), so to say that questions can only be directed at an RA might miss out those key bits of advice from those who specialise on the riding front. I completely understand the behaviour angle, that is what IH is all about, and I myself refer to our local RA on any pupils I get with groundwork issues and he refers to me with any clients on riding issues. So it's only right that the RAs answer any of those kind of queries on here, but have the riding issues and questions been factored in? I appreciate the work put in and the solutions so far, many thanks :-) Totally agree with this Lisa has been a great help and offers lots of help and suggestions, I would really miss this if we were no longer allowed to ask for help on riding training.
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Post by marychick on Jun 19, 2014 13:20:49 GMT 1
geez you guys are never satisfied! ..... disclaimer - that was a joke! hehe
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Post by rosemaryhannah on Jun 19, 2014 13:31:45 GMT 1
That sounds to me like an excellent and workable compromise. I think we will see things like questions about riding work themselves out over time. If adjustments are needed, I have no doubt they will be made. Everybody here is an adult (well, actually I am just pretending, but nobody has noticed yet.)
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Post by suzirock on Jun 19, 2014 13:34:50 GMT 1
Great compromise Mods Can't really express in words how much I have loved the DG in the past few years.....I have a huge appreciation for IH and the members of the DG. Not always a regular poster, but I am for sure a regular reader in my lunch breaks! I would be extremely sad to see it all dissolve away over time, so Im super happy some middle ground has been found. Big thumbs up
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Post by marychick on Jun 19, 2014 13:35:24 GMT 1
Personally I really can understand why there would be concerns over just anyone giving advice on training over the general board. A lot of people are saying that this board is an introduction to IH to those that have never heard of it so if that's the case then surely it should reflect IH values. That is a very difficult thing to police with everyone giving advice! At least they are doing their best to still insure there is a community on here for people that want it. If we feel we want advice from someone on training they are giving us plenty of options which I think is very generous given the precarious nature of giving training advice over the internet. Members will still have the usual forum, non members will have the horse help section and if they feel they would like help from someone else there's always PMs. If there's a community in place we can still help each other privately. We can even meet up and help each other wherever possible. I know everyone loves the DG but looks like changes are going to have to happen so lets try to work with them so we at least have something!
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Post by kizi on Jun 19, 2014 14:49:04 GMT 1
Weird now I see it as kizi... Odd...
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Post by Admin on Jun 19, 2014 16:03:31 GMT 1
Sounds like a good solution and one which would enable long term members to keep in touch - thank you! I do wonder if one thing has been missed out though - there are a few threads on here about riding, and many RAs don't specialise in this area. There are a few DG contributors who have great experience and have been very free with their advice (such as LisaP), so to say that questions can only be directed at an RA might miss out those key bits of advice from those who specialise on the riding front. I completely understand the behaviour angle, that is what IH is all about, and I myself refer to our local RA on any pupils I get with groundwork issues and he refers to me with any clients on riding issues. So it's only right that the RAs answer any of those kind of queries on here, but have the riding issues and questions been factored in? I appreciate the work put in and the solutions so far, many thanks :-) We'll get back to you on this as soon as we can.
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Post by bramblesmum on Jun 19, 2014 18:15:54 GMT 1
I think it's certainly a way forward however why not put a disclaimer at the top of the site explaining it's a public forum and not all views may sit wholly within ih principles, for advice on ih only basis put in the ask the expert section. Just thinking it would enable posters to continue to use the forum as historically done (if somewhat more condensed)
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Post by Deleted on Jun 19, 2014 20:21:14 GMT 1
Someone asked about this somewhere else. A disclaimer sounds like a good idea in theory but it doesn't really work in practise. How many people read them, just like how many people read the small print? And even if you do read it, would it stop you following some advice that sounded good, even though it was in fact completely unsuitable, and potentially detrimental to you or your horse?
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Post by clipclop on Jun 19, 2014 20:26:49 GMT 1
Someone asked about this somewhere else. A disclaimer sounds like a good idea in theory but it doesn't really work in practise. How many people read them, just like how many people read the small print? And even if you do read it, would it stop you following some advice that sounded good, even though it was in fact completely unsuitable, and potentially detrimental to you or your horse? I don't disagree but how many of these people will realistically donate for the 'ask an expert' advice rather than just go to another, free forum where the advice may potentially be far more detrimental than what they may get from people on here? Imo, the donation won't be an issue for those already enlightened to IH and have knowledge of RA's but will put off those who are not if they are not able to access free advice (even if that advice is to recommend an ra) first. Sent from my GT-I9195 using proboards
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Post by Caroline on Jun 20, 2014 0:27:12 GMT 1
I think that the vast majority of advice given by ordinary people on here is IH in spirit. There is the occasion when that isn't the case, but any non-IH suggestions are normally challenged anyway so it becomes clear to a reader what is considered IH and what isn't. Most of the traffic on here is by non-RAs, so I think the forums will die if the average user feels they can't write freely.
It's a shame. There is a wealth of knowledge amongst users and this is a good place to come to get a range of opinions and ideas. I never take just one person's advice on an issue - I get a range of perspectives from different people before coming to a conclusion that I feel is best for me and my horse.
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Post by nightowl4 on Jun 20, 2014 1:16:43 GMT 1
Caroline, Totally agree with you all you say. It is the wealth of knowledge from everyday owners/riders, who have gone through similar experiences that I find particularly useful on the DG. I have in the past also used an RA, so just because I use the DG doesn't mean I won't use an RA.
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Post by rowanrachel on Jun 20, 2014 7:16:07 GMT 1
The thing is, admin, despite the work involved, it is an excellent way of allowing Joe Public and also other followers, to see who we think aobut problems. The much appreciated members forum is preaching to the converted and the Facebook page is jolly and fun but does not give much insight into what makes us different. It is General, and General alone, which lets non members see how IH works out in practise. Yes, you may not always get experts, but generally you do get members thinking like IH people. It is not just problems - that is the thing. It is seeing the little IH sorties played out in front of us. Getting injuries, recovering, buying new horses, working through difficulties, kids coming off, kids coping. People with field management problems, and worries, often ill founded. All of this is played out,and IH is modelled in a way that no straightforward 'solution to your problem' is ever every going to give you. Well said RH you always have such a way with words! I'm another who discovered IH through the boards initially and I can say that since then I've been to Monty demos, bought memberships, Kelly's books and spent a fair few quid because of it! But more importantly I really wouldn't be where I am today without the help and support of all the wonderful people on here. When I first started posting I was sharing my friends mare and dreaming of owning my own horse. Now I've had my rescue mare 'honey' for two and a half years and the journey we've been on I believe would be very very different if it wasn't for the support I've had from the kind people on this forum. I have been a member in the past, but with having a new baby and needing two sharers just to manage to keep my horse -pennies are tight. Liz I appreciate that it must be a massive job that seems to have fallen largely on one persons shoulders and I appreciate all the helpful advice you've given me over the last couple of years too. I appreciate the compromise, but more than just chatter, I can't help feeling that having a FREE safe space to ask for advice and support from like minded IH horsey folk is really important and it would be doing IH a great disservice globally to loose that space. I think inevitably a chatter space would end up with random browsers posting horse problems about behaviour etc as any horsey forum would.. Would you want the piles of experienced folks on their not to reply to this with helpful advice but to point them to the 'ask the expert' section that would then fall on the heads of a few people? Anyway I understand the issue you are all facing but I for one am really sad as feel it will be the end of an era! Janwilky does Phoenixhorse have sections for other things than foot issues?
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Post by janwilky on Jun 20, 2014 8:41:59 GMT 1
Personally, I would find a restricted version of General where only chit-chat was allowed too frustrating and limited and I suspect I would gently fade away, though there would be a lot of people and topics I'd miss. But whilst it's lovely to hear people's news and to share my own from time to time that's not the main reason for visiting and participating, it's more about the sharing of ideas, working out solutions to problems with like-minded folk and, from time to time, contributing experiences when others are struggling with similar issues to those I've been through myself. To me that's not just about the 'professional' advice from RAs, valuable though that is, but participating in a supportive community where the principles of 'intelligent' horsemanship are played out and discussed in the nitty gritty of everyday life with horses. It's a pity if that is to become a pay-only service restricted to Members' board. I also think that a pay-for-advice service would have a relatively restricted use. I can imagine it might be a useful first port of call for those new to IH who are approaching with a specific and perhaps major problem, perhaps like some of the posts in Horse Help where newcomers have had some very thoughtful and insightful replies from LizP. But I can't see it being used on a regular basis in the spirit with which issues have been discussed in the General section. I can't, for example, imagine paying to ask a question about how to approach a current issue I have with Bambi in that she's being rather nappy hacking out alone but is fine in company. It's not a major problem, it's something we're working on and it's getting better but I might be interested in other people's ideas of how to approach it and whether I'm going about it the right way (just an example, not looking for specific advice ). It isn't that I wouldn't be prepared to pay, it's more that I'm interested to hear wider views and I think most of us are capable of filtering out the ones that are not in the spirit of IH or not applicable to our particular circumstances. We do that all the time in life, we evaluate and filter everything we hear and we wouldn't be 'intelligent' if we didn't. In response to your question Rowanrachel, Phoenixhorse does indeed have sections for other things than feet . While it's primarily a place for those 'interested' in barefoot, it's not by any means restricted to those with barefoot horses. The 'barefoot community' is mainly for foot-related issues but because so many things can influence whether a horse can cope barefoot or not there are often much wider discussions about issues such as ulcers and hindgut acidosis, land management, lameness etc. There is also a section on Diet and there's some very useful info on there. And there's an active and friendly Cafe and going back to the example above, that's where I've been discussing Bambi's napping where I found out, slightly to my surprise, that several other PPID horses have become much nappier and less confident since being diagnosed - very valuable information, as it means it's probably not primarily a training issue and that changes my whole approach! I'm not trying to push a different forum here, Phoenix and the DG fill very different niches, but it's that kind of sharing of experiences which I think is in danger of being lost from IH. I believe that shared experiences have a strong contribution to make in expanding our collective knowledge and awareness of horsemanship and horse management/health issues, it's one of the huge advantages of the internet and it would be a pity if IH contracts to essentially a members-only community. Sorry, stream of consciousness there
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