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Post by Zuzan on Aug 6, 2011 13:15:41 GMT 1
"I had no idea that there were any Strasser trimmers about. I thought they had all disappeared years ago when the prosecutions happened. Therefore, I think it is really good you did post this as a warning to people to be aware when they take a trimmer on that they will 'do no harm'." Agree I think it is vital that we all become more knowledgeable about hoof care .. we have to know a good trim (no matter what school) from a trim that is not going to help the horse and cause pain. I think there have been examples on this board of non strasser trims and farrier work that has caused the horse to be less sound than it was. As owners / carers we are duty bound to develop a good knowledge of how to manage a horse for its well being, including its hooves.
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Post by Ally S on Aug 6, 2011 16:27:38 GMT 1
Zusan - agree. But we don't need to know anything at all to understand that pain is pain and some trims are just wrong. There's a big difference between recognizing differing trims and hoof balance, and condemning out and out mutilation. And yes, mutilation is a strong word, but one that was mentioned in at least two trials of Strasser trimmers in court by the Judge.
Well done Mandal for posting this. I've heard many horror stories of Strasser trims but I seriously thought we'd evolved and moved on. To realise that not only is this barbaric type of trimming still happening, but that people are still defending it is unbelievable to me.
Taklishim - superb posts.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 6, 2011 18:47:07 GMT 1
Although it was very hard work, I'm very glad I read KC's "The Chosen Road" book. I'm also really pleased Mandal has posted all the details of the trim she saw, because now if I ever change trimmer/ farrier the newbie will be questioned on whether they trim the sole and if so how much and why. I see no justifiable reason to trim sole beyond a small amount of exfoliating sole. If a trimmer got to the stage with talin of getting to the waxy clear sole they'd be leaving the yard before picking up the second foot. BUT, having not been a horseowner at the time of all the strasser furory 5 years ago, before reading Mandal's post I wouldn't have known excessing sole trimming was a warning of what they're doing/ what method they're following.
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Post by Zuzan on Aug 6, 2011 20:03:05 GMT 1
Zusan - agree. But we don't need to know anything at all to understand that pain is pain and some trims are just wrong. There's a big difference between recognizing differing trims and hoof balance, and condemning out and out mutilation. And yes, mutilation is a strong word, but one that was mentioned in at least two trials of Strasser trimmers in court by the Judge. .............. I'm sorry but on that count several non Strasser trimmers and Farriers should also be "condemed too.. in the same emotive language.. Knowledge is soooooo important ... everyone should be aware (whether they are barefooters or not) what is live tissue and what can be safely removed, amongst other things such as contracted heels, thrush, useless frogs, stretched white line and true flare. Ignorance means that bad trimmers / farriers can continue to practice and cause harm. Off to chew my daily dose of celery..
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Post by Ally S on Aug 6, 2011 20:12:51 GMT 1
Agreed. But this thread is specifically about a Strasser trim that Mandal witnessed, and Strasser is a method that accepts that pain is pretty much inevitable.
And it really doesn't have to be!
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Post by taklishim on Aug 6, 2011 21:27:50 GMT 1
Taklishim - superb posts. thank you, I appreciate that. ;D ;D Like most people I suppose I, naively, thought she had disappeared. I did quite a bit of searching and she is certainly still alive, kicking and offering courses. There is one in NZ 2011 / 2013. She seems to be represented in just about all countries except the UK. Some of the sites below are in German or French but they give the general idea of the extent of her activities. The top link is the US one. I believe that "natural" flashes across the top. The "fly in the ointment" seems to have been the use of the word "natural". I could not see anything on this person's website that would have even given an inkling as to what was going to happen. I don't really know how an inexperienced "newbie" is going to be know. I suspect there are going to be a few people who get caught out. I think that on her website she should accurately describe herself as a Strasser trimmer. That way people would be able to research the method. I wonder why she doesn't? www.strasserhoofcare.org/aboutshp.htmlwww.institut-equine.com/94.0.htmlwww.hufklinik.de/www.institut-equine.com/www.strasserhoofcare.co.nz/ (training course 2011/13
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Post by mandal on Aug 6, 2011 22:06:29 GMT 1
Taklishim - superb posts. I think that on her website she should accurately describe herself as a Strasser trimmer. That way people would be able to research the method. I wonder why she doesn't? I have wondered that. This woman is not Irish, she is from England. Mta. You've been much more successful in your search, I could only find Strasser practitioners in USA, I couldn't even find a list on the main S. German site. From the trim I saw and the fact (told by the trimmer) that the trimmer was just back from her yearly certification appraisal it also seems Strasser is not discouraging practitioners to practice the full trim in the yard. I would expect her to have given strict guidelines, at least, in view of past experiences. It also seems the trim remains unaltered...
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Post by taklishim on Aug 6, 2011 22:34:27 GMT 1
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Post by mandal on Aug 6, 2011 22:39:55 GMT 1
Doh, I meant a full list of all SHP's. UK and Ireland have no lists. I did see that but thanks. Mmm, wonder if you will now give me that link? ;D This written by a Strasser trained trimmer and imo should be read by everyone. There are guidelines about the 'clinic trim' which I am assuming is what was carried out on the horses I saw. www.thehorseshoof.com/strassercontro.htmlI have taken this quote from the article and believe this area needs to be addressed by Dr Strasser herself, imo it is not good enough that SHP's had to 'figure out' how to trim what is I believe the majority of domestic horses. "Most of the successful trimmers trained by Strasser figured out through experience how to trim those "middle-ground" horses effectively, without pain, using hoofboots when appropriate, keeping the horses comfortable and moving as much as possible. Trimmed in this way, the horses show a slow, steady improvement over time, and stay sound."Also at no point was the owner expecting a 'quick fix' and this was never offered by the trimmer. Life style was discussed apparently at the assessment visit and no changes recommended. The horses were already out on tracks with weight loss programs etc. where appropriate. For anyone who may think that I feel less culpable in all this, I can assure you I feel very responsible and utterly ashamed. I have no excuse.
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