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Post by gporter1 on Aug 2, 2011 13:28:57 GMT 1
I've tried to find lists of Strasser Trimmers on her site but the only list I can find is one in USA. Yes, to my never ending shame I stood and watched some of this but the Owner is the one who is 'broken' along with the horse. This person talked a very different talk but when the knife came out she went onto automatic pilot it seems. omg that is just awful, poor horses and poor owner. if it can be reported and publicised i would say go ahead and do it, the owner is having to pay to have her poor horses abused and disabled in this way and now has to deal with the on-going problems this idiot has caused it is terrible when owners trust 'professionals' and this is the outcome and it is so hard to step in and stop it at the time although hindsight is marvellous
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Post by Catrin on Aug 2, 2011 13:40:59 GMT 1
One other point worth mentioning in respect of this is that the trim is only a tiny part of a healthy hoof - around 10% . I agree with that normally but in the case of the horses in the OP it sounds pretty clear that ther devastation caused was 100% down to the trim. I keep rereading the OP, but all it mentions is feet like dinner plates. I thought the Strasser trimmer caused the devastation not the previous trim. If you look at Sarah Braithwaite's pictures of Fari - www.performancebarefoot.co.uk/page74.html you can see that she clearly attributes the change from dinner plate to concavity to his diet. My point was that no trimmer - Strasser trained or otherwise - can 'carve' a healthy foot, you have to 'grow' one.
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Post by specialized on Aug 2, 2011 13:52:11 GMT 1
I remember years ago looking at the Strasser website and most of the 'training' was supported online and the basic foot template was the standard that was used on every hoof regardless of the conformation, type or breed of horse or the condition of the hoof before starting.
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Post by mandal on Aug 2, 2011 13:52:59 GMT 1
Catrin, I think you and michellep are getting wires crossed. The devastation post trim was caused by this trim. The hooves main problem prior to this trim was imo diet. No dietry advice was forthcoming but actually is already in hand. As you imo rightly say trim should only be 10% of the solution but imo NOT become the problem.
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Post by Catrin on Aug 2, 2011 14:11:56 GMT 1
Catrin, I think you and michellep are getting wires crossed. The devastation post trim was caused by this trim. The hooves main problem prior to this trim was imo diet. No dietry advice was forthcoming but actually is already in hand. As you imo rightly say trim should only be 10% of the solution but imo NOT become the problem. Thanks for sorting that. I was obviously confused! If the law in Ireland is similar to UK - only a vet can part living tissue - then the sort of trimming Strasser taught would be illegal anyway. Unless like her, you were also a vet. What I've never understood about Strasser's methods is why they are so brutal, you can't cure bad feet in a surgical operation! It is going to take education, time and the right conditions as well as the work of the trimmer. I do hope the horses and their owner are well on the way to recovery after such a shocking experience.
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Post by Liz on Aug 2, 2011 14:45:11 GMT 1
I never liked what I read about Strasser and was mightily glad she had been banned. I found this thread very upsetting, to think that anyone could cause a horse to suffer so needlessly. I really, really believe that anyone dressing horses' feet should be on a register and should be reviewed regularly - that includes both farriers and barefoot trimmers.
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Post by jill on Aug 2, 2011 14:53:06 GMT 1
Hear hear Liz - with a reputable parent body to whome complaints can be made.
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Post by specialized on Aug 2, 2011 15:26:56 GMT 1
I really, really believe that anyone dressing horses' feet should be on a register and should be reviewed regularly - that includes both farriers and barefoot trimmers. My thoughts exactly as there are so many 'schools' of trimming advocating their own methods but totally self-regulated, usually by the person who decided their particular method was the best, and there are also so many poor farriers about who need re-educating.
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Post by mandal on Aug 2, 2011 15:36:08 GMT 1
If the law in Ireland is similar to UK - only a vet can part living tissue - then the sort of trimming Strasser taught would be illegal anyway. Unless like her, you were also a vet. What I've never understood about Strasser's methods is why they are so brutal, you can't cure bad feet in a surgical operation! It is going to take education, time and the right conditions as well as the work of the trimmer. I do hope the horses and their owner are well on the way to recovery after such a shocking experience. I think what is 'living tissue' is at issue with this Trimmer from what I've gleaned. Is there a definition in UK law? No blood was drawn but what I believe is ''live' sole and tissue was removed. This individual imo and from what I have been told is misrepresenting what they will do grossly. Whether this is conscious or an unconscious thing I don't know. There was a previous assessment visit and I believe all talk was of removing a little bit here and there and waiting a couple of weeks and removing a little bit more ie. small changes over time. No laws can be made to stop people misrepresenting like this operating unfortunately. The horses are comfortable and lying down less and the owner is very traumatized still and very, very ashamed and guilty. I'm trying to work out how on earth this has happened to try and see what the warning signs are as well as why I personally didn't commit an illegal act or do more/something effective.
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Post by marsayy on Aug 2, 2011 16:01:29 GMT 1
Wow, guys I've never heard of strasser, sounds horrific. I have been lucky with a good barefoot trimmer but there just seems so many different training regimes it's hard to know good from bad.
Thanks though I will go and read the links you have posted.
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Post by marianne on Aug 2, 2011 16:30:56 GMT 1
I have watched a Strasser trimmer work - on someone else's horses.
It is absolutely terrifying what some owners will allow to be done to their horses, all because the trimmer purports to have greater knowledge :-(
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Post by wally on Aug 2, 2011 17:04:40 GMT 1
just to agree with everything already said, but what is a "wild horse trim" surely the foot of a wild horse will vary massively depending on the terrain in which he lives?
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Post by taklishim on Aug 2, 2011 18:01:47 GMT 1
The horses are comfortable and lying down less and the owner is very traumatized still and very, very ashamed and guilty. I'm trying to work out how on earth this has happened to try and see what the warning signs are as well as why I personally didn't commit an illegal act or do more/something effective. The strasser era started in approx 1999 and ran up to approx 2004 by which time most had gone to ground or adapted All the owners felt guitly, truamatized and ashamed at what they had allowed to be done to their horses. The Strasser trimmed horses were sods to trim afterwards as they were so upset by the pain that had been caused to them they wouldn't pick their feet up. So much structure was taken away that the feet "pancaked". Recovering that structure was very difficult. Strasser horses were meant to abscess. It was welcomed. I remember the first time I met a field of Strasser trimmed horses many were lying down. I was told several were abscessing and this was good. I remember Majorie Smith telling me that Strasser warned clients that mechanical laminitis was a risk after a trim. It is a pity that the threads on the old DG are no longer available as this subject was covered in depth. The only way we got rid of Strasser was by publicity. Naming and shaming but it was very difficult for owners who felt so bad at what they had done to their beloved horses to come speak out. The longer they kept quiet the more horses were harmed. Mandal I would urge you to post the name of this person who is presumably a qualified trimmer. I can see no reason as to why that should not be done. If they are upset they can come on here and explain. I would also suggest you post the name of the organisation/ body she is a member of by bringing the organisation to the forefront people will be aware for the future. I appreciate your friend got caught out by this and did not realise what was happening when she booked this trimmer. I would urge her to contact the RSPCA, WHW etc to bring it to their attention as to what has happened. (ILPH were very familiar with the problems) Presumably she is a "good" horsekeeper so she would not be blamed but until it is brought into the open others will not be aware of it. I would suggest that if sole has been carved out that your friend put sole mates on the horse. The thick strong ones that EPs sell. Personally I would put them in something like Old macs but they can be taped on. These will protect the feet whilst they heal. Pat If anyone has got this far and thinks I am exagerating then join the yahoo group barefoot UK and start reading the posts from the begining. You will realise that I am completely understating the position. sports.groups.yahoo.com/group/BarefootUK/
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Post by taklishim on Aug 2, 2011 18:11:36 GMT 1
mandal I have pm'd you,.
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Post by mandal on Aug 2, 2011 18:22:19 GMT 1
Thanks Pat. Please may I copy your post to the Irish Horsemanship forum? This is in Ireland and I have already contacted some agencies and am busy spreading the word all I can. It turns out this woman has been training with Strasser for 10years plus and had just returned from a clinic in Germany where she stayed at Strasser's house. This is her website. www.horsethinking.com/
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