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Post by daisysp8 on Dec 19, 2009 17:30:12 GMT 1
If you were to clip out a pony (native chunky monkey) that you couldn`t stable ..... what Gram Rug would you get ? ? And similiarly .... If you had to clip out a 7 month old foal ...... same situation as above ... What Gram rug would you buy. ****Sigh**** Some one remind me again about how wonderful it is to own horses .... **wanders off to put kettle on and try to thaw out frozen extremities **
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Post by varkie on Dec 19, 2009 18:19:40 GMT 1
Clipping a 7 month foal?!?! That lives out?!?! I don't think it's possible to give you a gm weight of rug to buy. So much will depend on the individuals - how warm/cold they tend to be usually, how active they are, how warm/cold it is where you live, etc.
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Post by Karon on Dec 19, 2009 18:29:11 GMT 1
I think Daisy has a good reason for having to do this, Varkie, sadly I'd get one of each weight from unlined up to HW but then I am a bit of a rugaholic I'd have thought the mare would be fine up to a MW rug, and possibly a 40g rug even but would be looking at 200g for the foal (MW rug?) at least. Just IMHO, but then I've never rugged a foal!
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Post by daisysp8 on Dec 19, 2009 18:32:14 GMT 1
Clipping a 7 month foal?!?! That lives out?!?! . She has a very heavy infestation of Lice ..... We`re struggling to get it under control even after using Switch, Lice powder i can`t bath her as i don`t have the facilities for warm water, shelter of getting her dry. She has a very very dense coat, so clipping it out, and burning it would help eliminate the lice/eggs .... whilst carrying on the "Switch" treatment that should hopefully get rid of some of the stragglers .... Even though they are in seperate paddocks my one of my others is now infected as well, and i`m fighting a losing battle ..... The little one came with lice as i took her on from a place after feeling very sorry for her (see Lindaandrascals thread she`s been there too) and i`m really at my wits end. This baby was drastically underweight, full of worms, anemic due to the sheer amount of lice on her body and has had weeks of me trying to do my best for her. She has now put on weight and isn`t "ribby" anymore, and she`s been wormed, now has a passport, and has had her jabs, and the vet and myself are doing our best. Please if you can suggest anything else i`m all ears ... But i don`t have money to burn, and i`m struggling to get rid of the dam things. This isn`t a rant at you by the way this is just a frustrated "AAAAAARRRGGGHHHHH" in general from being stood in the freezing cold trying to sort out a wee one taken on from idiots who couldn`t give a sh!t, and as per the norm i end up having to try and "make it all better" ...... So please, i don`t need any grief from anyone .... I need solutions on how to make this right. Thankyou
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Post by amberhoney on Dec 19, 2009 18:39:17 GMT 1
I have a selection of foal rugs of varying sizes that i am looking to get rid of to a good home, where are you based? what size do you think she is.
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Post by daisysp8 on Dec 19, 2009 18:39:59 GMT 1
Thanks Karon ... I seem to remember somewhere reading that its better to rug them with a couple of rugs too ... So a stable rug and a 40g lightweight, or a Stable and a 100g, I can`t remember the reason though, i think it helped keep the heat in better maybe ? ? ? I`m a rug-a-holic too, and really don`t need excuses to buy more lolol, but with the mounting vets bills i need to be realistic, thankfully though we`re now wondering if this is Dixies itching problem too ? ? ? But she only seems to have a few on her, so we`re not sure if they`ve just recently gone on her and the itchy thing is something else, so we`ve continued with keeping her off hard feed and she had the jab for mites on tuesday when we saw the vet. The vets back out on Tuesday though, and i think i`ll have the skin scrapes done on Dixie then too. Re-mortage anyone lol !!
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Post by daisysp8 on Dec 19, 2009 18:41:53 GMT 1
Hiya Amberhoney, sorry crossed posts, she is 6.5 months old and is currently in a 5`/5`3" rug ... I think she is going to be a big girl lolol !! We`re in North Lincolnshire
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Post by varkie on Dec 19, 2009 18:46:44 GMT 1
Personally, if we get a pony come in during the winter with lice (which does happen sometimes), we use Deosect with them. And given that most of ours are shetlands, you don't get thicker coats than on a shetland! We have never had to clip one off purely because of lice, and we have often taken on ponies given to us as owners can't cope or unwanted from sales.
You buy the Deosect as a concentrate. Scats stock it, as do many other agricultural stockists, but you have to ask for it, as it is an over the counter item, as it's pretty strong. You dilute it down, then we use a plant hand sprayer, we make sure we wear rubber gloves, and a face mask, and do the pony outdoors, to protect them from the fumes as best we can, then we set to work. If you spray it in thoroughly, and use your hands to rub it in. It works brilliantly into the coat, and you should have absolutely no need to clip.
Do patch test first - although I have used it on loads of ponies over the years, I had one pony this summer who has a reaction to it.
When it comes to treating lice, Deosect is the best thing. Lice powder is a waste of money, it doesn't do anything. Switch, I don't really know about, but I know of others who've used it and still had a problem.
You do of course also need to treat other things as well as the pony - any rugs, brushes, headcollars & leadropes, plus any wood they will come into contact with - fence posts, stables, etc. Plus any other ponies they have contact with, even if no signs of lice are seen. Otherwise they just get reinfected.
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Post by dagbecian on Dec 19, 2009 19:03:32 GMT 1
First you need to determine which type of lice your horse has as they don't all suck blood (ivermectin work only on the type that sucks blood). See : Merck Veterinary Manual
Scroll down to the treatment section
Got this off another forum hope it helps.
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Post by daisysp8 on Dec 19, 2009 19:10:31 GMT 1
Thanks DB .... She has biting lice (me and the vet think) ... The sort that live on the dead skin and cells, and scrat and irritate the skin I shall try the Deosect Varkie, sounds like a viable other option, i know to treat everything else, thankfully they all have their own grooming kits, so its just a case of treating those and the field shelter, the rest of it is field and eletric fencing. And i`d like to say thankyou to the wonderful Amberhoney who is sending a rug for Ruby, so i can get the ones she is wearing washed and treated .... I WILL somehow get rid of these blasted things.
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Post by KoLaTo on Dec 19, 2009 19:34:45 GMT 1
Can't help with the weight of a foalio rug but can vouch for Deosect working, you do have to be really vigilant and get it into every nook and cranny you can - LOL
Native chunky monkies, well i can help with those as i have 3 of my own that i clip out fully and they live out 24/7. 200g is usually enough to be honest, one of mine occasionally needs a 100gm underug as well but not often as they move around so much more outside. I've rarely gone up to find a cold pony even in the 8 inches of snow that i had last winter, they'd been clipped literally days before it chucked it down and it stayed for 2 weeks, in that time they were in 200g and one i had to drop to his 100g as he was way too hot in 200g.
But i do have them in full necks, i think it makes a big difference to have a clipped neck covered as well as the body.
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Post by daisysp8 on Dec 19, 2009 19:42:59 GMT 1
KoLaTo .... Thankyou ..... It would be a full neck, i`m a bit too soft for my own good and i think if their neck is clipped out (hers will be) it will be a bit warmer in this biting cold wind. Thankyou for that info, it has re-assured me and made me feel a lot happier about it all
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Post by mandal on Dec 19, 2009 20:56:13 GMT 1
I'd be tempted to try anything and everything rather than clip the foal especially with the weather being so very cold atm. Isn't there an injection for lice yet?? I wonder if it's a very severe infection whether it can be controlled to a large extent and then treated again with a clip if needed when the weather is warmer is an option, or is the infection considered too severe?
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Post by ashleigh on Dec 19, 2009 21:28:26 GMT 1
I'm surprised your vet has not suggested something other than clipping, particularly given the forecast.
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Post by daisysp8 on Dec 19, 2009 21:45:51 GMT 1
I'm surprised your vet has not suggested something other than clipping, particularly given the forecast. They have ....... they suggested washing her in a dermoline shampoo .... which i explained i don`t have water/drying/stable facilities. They suggested using the "Switch" spot on for horses which is prescription only, which i have been using .... Its not working, they suggested Louse power as well ... which i`m using, its not working. There isn`t an injection to kill them .. and from the vets mouth there is absolutely nothing on this planet that will kill off the eggs, you have to kill the louse itself and so wait for the cycles to be completed and keep treating to kill and break the cycles of adult lice and then the eggs hatching out. The one thing that does kill them is permethrin .... (in various different forms) this is found in "Switch" which i`m already using from the vets ... and Deosect (cypermethrin) .... But it isn`t found in louse powders, these are merely a repellent. Clipping her out is a last resort, but surely a clipped out, dry, well rugged, well fed, lice free foal, is going to be better than a lice ridden, itchy, wet, cold foal ? ?
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