Trouble
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Post by Trouble on Dec 20, 2009 0:21:29 GMT 1
I thought you were going to bed! lol
I might be way off....but does it make a difference if you cover the ony in something that makes it hard for the lice and eggs to stick to them? Like Pig oil or something? I'm just thinking if there are some essential oils to use, you could use something like Pig oil as a carrier and then maybe it would make the coat a less habitable place.
I doubt it would do anything to help 'cure' the problem, but might make it a bit easier whilst the medicated stuff does its thing?
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Post by Lulu on Dec 20, 2009 0:35:05 GMT 1
I have some unused deosect lotion if you want some. My horse reacted badly to it, and came up in lumps around her armpits (I did put some there too !) I've only used small capful or two, you're welcome to try it ? I didn't use it for lice, but for midges (it does work, but my mare reacted to it as I said)
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Post by Dragonmaster on Dec 20, 2009 9:46:41 GMT 1
You could use aloe vera but it would work out expensive and you dont need the benefits of aloe in this case - except that the aloe will soothe itchy skin,,, so maybe... You could use salad grade grapeseed oil from supermarket which is easy to get and cheap but it would make coat greasy - however if you are thinking of making little b***ers drop off then that might have value... It's a case of experiment really.
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Post by K8 on Dec 20, 2009 10:41:39 GMT 1
Another vote for deosect, one of our mares had awful lice, deosect cleared it up.
Good luck!!!
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Post by treacletart on Dec 20, 2009 15:16:49 GMT 1
Daisysp8, i was in a simialr situation to yours a few years ago. Or rather someone else was and as they had no idea, took it upon myself to help them and their ponies. In the end, we found clipping the best option, rugging up and eventually got the lice under control. At one point the owner thought she had cracked it, but it came back mildly. She was shocked! So after you have cracked your infestation, and i am absolutely sure you will, dont stop looking for a few months, be on your guard, just incase. Anyway what i was going to suggest was...under the heavier rugs, it is a good idea to use a light cotton rug or fleece, and change it each day, put it in the wash each day, (maybe you will need 3 for the turnaround time), I know its more money, but even though lots of washing, will remove unwanted visitors. When we took the rugs off and washed the under rugs, we also smothered the ones to be replaced with powders. Then as we were lucky enough to have donated rugs and enough for a wash turnaround, washed the thicker ones every 3 or so days. I would suggest jeyes or viekal ((viekon?)the powder i a yellow sachet for washing and rinsing when foot n mouth was rife) to wash down where you clip, even it is soil or mud or snow.
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Post by big e on Dec 20, 2009 19:21:59 GMT 1
Daisy, I think you have 2 choices. 1. You could borrow a trailer and take your baby home and bath him with warm water and then dry him throughly with towels. I have used the dermolene with my very hairy's when they were infested with lice and you only need some in a bucket and then wash your baby with a big sponge, (just like a car) It kills the lice instantly and you can see all the dead ones in the hair, rinse off with buckets of warm water and then towel dry as much water off as possible.(all in the trailer) You should only need to do this once. Once dry return back to field. Be prepared for your baby to want to roll as soon as its wet and for yourself to get soaked so i would suggest getting some friends to help 2. If you go for a full clip, you will need to buy a snug stable rug as high a togg as possible (300-400?) and then put a turnout over the top. I have a 7 month welsh a and his hair is currently 4 inches thick out in a weatherbeeta foal turnout which i think is a 180 gram and i have yet to put my hand under to find him warm. He is neither poor or well covered. Although he was very thin when i got him. Make sure you buy rugs that fit now, rather than one size bigger as the rain can get under the rugs and soak the chest areas and go back further than the shoulders and your baby may wind up with a chill. Remember he will get a 2nd surge of hair in January so his hair should grow back quite quickly Good luck
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Post by daisysp8 on Dec 20, 2009 20:59:13 GMT 1
Wow ..... Thankyou thankyou thankyou for all the advice Treacle tart, thankyou for your post, the fleece thing makes a lot of sense, as it will line the main rugs, and though the main rugs will still need treating, the fleeces that are in direct contact with the skin/fur can be washed regulary ..... **light bulb** moment ;D I still may need to clip, but at least i have something else to try first. Ok, first thing in the morning i will be ordering 2 lots of fleeces, as they all have 1 all ready, and i can wash and dry in one day, so i can take infested one off ... treat hosses, put clean rug on, bring others home, wash and repeat every 3/4 days. I will be getting some more Switch to carry on with and also some Deosect. I will check that i can use Switch and Deosect at the same time ? ? as Deosect contains "cypermethrin" as the active ingredient, and Switch contains "pyrethroid permethrin" as the active ingredient and the last thing i`d want to do is overdose them on Permethrin ....... Though i can use the Deosect in a spray form to treat the field shelter/wooden gates, tying up posts can`t i ? ? (or would i needed something else for that?) If i haven`t seen a difference in the next week to 10 days than i will clip them out and rug them up with MW (with hoods) that i can pick up in the sales ;D.
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Post by Jane on Dec 20, 2009 22:21:56 GMT 1
Just a comment on tea tree oil. It doesn't kill super-stubborn human head lice over here, but it can burn skin and scalps. Even in a shop-sold treatment it has to be shampoo-ed in, thoroughly soaking the hair and skin. You would need vast quantities. It still wouldn't kill the eggs, which are usually glued onto the hair shafts (can you tell my family has been through this, LOL). So, I can't see how that would help Daisysp8 in her situation.
Good luck with it - maybe if you can hold them at bay until Spring and warmer weather, then you can go in with the heavy guns shampoo treatments. I too know people who have struggled with this one and it isn't funny.
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Post by circusdancer on Dec 20, 2009 22:46:28 GMT 1
Seems I've missed a whole load Daisy. The last I remember you were having nightmares finding a riding horse, I really should do some reading up! You've certainly got your hands full now haven't you? Well done for trying to help this poor little (although not so little by the sounds of it) foal.
Deosect is pretty potent stuff which you'll soon realise when you use it, it smells worse than paint stripper and that is in it's diluted form! Oh heck, now I've said that, don't try and sniff the neck of the tin before you've diluted it or you'll knock yourself out. We have used it, although not for lice infestation but, as Lulu mentioned, when we had a massive problem with midges, it was a determined fly repellant. As a matter of course, we prefer more natural, home made remedies but there were never any adverse effects and I would use it again in such circumstances and certainly wouldn't hesitate in a situation as extreme as yours. It's certainly worth a go over clipping, in my opinion, but you will have to do what you have to do at the end of the day.
Have your vets looked at the foal's diet at all? It really ought to be a consideration at this stage, particularly as the problems will have caused numerous mineral/vitamin deficiencies. She may need additional supplements to combat the anaemia. I'm sorry if I'm throwing another cost into the worry. I don't mean to but she will probably need help on the internal as well as external troubles she has and healing comes from within. I don't know whether Red Cell or HB Formula are permitted for foal use but they could boost her immune system, your vet has to advise on that or something similar. You could spend a lot of money on rugs to keep her warm this winter but if you could keep her coat and allow her to regulate her own body temperature in her first winter, it will save you a heck of a lot of money in the long run.
Good luck whatever you decide, I can appreciate that it's a complete dilemma and desperate measures are sometimes needed, sadly.
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Post by daisysp8 on Dec 21, 2009 0:19:39 GMT 1
Thanks guys ;D Jane, yes it would be a bit of a nightmare as i think i`d need a large quantity of teatree to make it "do" anything, but never the less any idea is welcomed on getting shot of these lil beggers, i shall certainly do my best to hold them off until the warmer weather gets here, and then i will be treating all surfaces en-mass ... as well as scrubbing neddies from head to toe in Dermoline insecticidal lolol !! Hiya Jules ;D Riding problems well and truely sorted with my Lottie, all going very very well .... But yes i now have my hands full with this wee one, i just couldn`t bear to leave her there. (yes i know too bladdy soft for me own good lol) She is currently on adlib hay, feeds twice daily consisting of chop/sugarbeat/magnesium and some natural yogurt and apples mixed in. She has put weight on lovely and has a "sparkle" to her now that she didn`t have before. Vet is happy with her diet but has mentioned maybe introducing a youngstock cube in the next couple of weeks. We`ve had to be careful as she`d not been fed any hard feed before i got her, so its been a gradual build up to save her poor insides from raging diarrhea or colic due to the changes. All in all though she is a happy wee babe to what she was Pictures of my crew .... Ruby, the wee foal: (please excuse the price tag still attached to the head collar) This is Dixie ... my lil boys xmas pressie (he doesn`t know yet) who also now has lice ... and is an itchy, itchy pone: And this is Lottie - My wonder horse ;D
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Post by treacletart on Dec 21, 2009 8:35:36 GMT 1
Pleased to meet you Ruby, Dixie and Lottie. Thanks for sharing Daisy sp8.
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Post by kafee on Dec 21, 2009 10:46:28 GMT 1
Hi Daisysp8,
I have been following this thread with great interest. I had a problem with lice last year, came with the NF babes. Although I de-loused (and wormed etc) before they went any where near the field, they must have had a few 'friends' still on them, and infected the big boys.
I treated everybody with louse powder, and aimed to repeat every week for at least 3 weeks to break the cycle. I ended up looking like the abominable snowman, smelling like a 1940's hospital and thoroughly fed up. Needless to say my good intentions weren't carried out as thoroughly as I'd hoped, so this year I've treated the rugs before using them. I plan to treat them regularly, but I'll be looking for deosect to use not louse powder. Thanks everybody.
Anyway, what I wanted to mention is that my vet said they would drop off with the coat in the spring, and I haven't have a problem over the summer.
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Post by rj on Dec 21, 2009 13:37:23 GMT 1
Just read all of this (no idea why, know nowt about louses) and am now scratching like mad!! Loads of good ideas anyway; and did you see further back someone offered to pass on their Deosect stuff?
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Post by daisysp8 on Dec 21, 2009 13:44:58 GMT 1
Yup i know the itchy feeling very well RJ ... my washing machine has been going flat out lol !! I have seen further back about Lulu kindly offering her Deosect, we have disscussed it via pm .... Feel a bit more happy about winning the battle now lol !!
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Post by touchstone on Dec 21, 2009 13:50:12 GMT 1
Another thing that might be worth a try is diatomaceous earth, it works by abrading the outside of the lice so that tey dehydrate and die, it will need repeating to get rid of hatching eggs though. They sell 1kg tubs of it at www.omlet.co.uk but youi can probably find it cheaper online.
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