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Post by Lorraine L on Dec 31, 2007 17:16:38 GMT 1
There are no bad things about IH because it has taught you to do exactly what you are all doing now..... questioning what is the best method of communicating to your horse what you want or expect. Courses are on offer, but you don't have to go. Duallys are on sale, but you don't have to buy one in order to achieve your best results. Its what YOU do with the information which is on offer, that is the Intelligent Horsemanship part of it. People from other training ideas might just read one idea. Idea is the perfect word. I don't like Principles ! Nothing and i mean nothing, works for everyone or every animal so the very fact that you have become Intelligent to owning or looking after a horse is the best thing in the world - well, so far as i am concerned anyway. Twenty years ago, things for horse understanding were very different. I shudder to think of some of the things which we were taught as youngsters in order to deal with a 'difficult horse' .... whatever you do, do it with kindness and thank the likes of Monty and Kelly etc for showing us that.
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Post by cokey on Dec 31, 2007 17:24:11 GMT 1
Cokey, I so agree, and I was dishonest not to say it in the first place, so here goes. I hate "quick fix " methods therefore I hate the dually. As you say, what people should be learning is how to handle a horse on the ground with a normal headcollar and not to have to resort to a gadget. I am 5ft tall, and have dealt with horses from shetlands to 17.2 + and have admitedly on occasions, had to put the headcollar rope around the front of the nose in the case of the big ones, but they have quickly learned that pulling, barging, tanking off is just not acceptable, and lead normally. It's all about psychology,--------- confidence, attitude and conning the horse that you are in charge, not pressure on the head. Tin Hat in place, and duck Sorry SS3 - I should have explained better. I'm not against a dually or a rope halter. In fact, I don't even own any normal headcollars, I do everything (including ride) in a rope halter... What I'm against is the attitude that something like that is a fix in and of itself. It's not. It's a gadget that will help you whilst you get to the root of the problem. Then, hopefully, you'll never need it again. You can still use it every day, but you'll never need it's restraining powers! BUT, if it's just used day in, day out, with no other training or changes being made just because the horse "tanks off to the field" then that's wrong IMO. Sort out the problem so that the horse never feels the need to tank off to the field and then you're being "intelligent".
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Post by Ally S on Dec 31, 2007 17:42:45 GMT 1
If you read Kelly's books you will see the Dually is not an implement of restraint - it is a training aid. As Lorraine says, it's there if you want it. Personally I find it helps a horse to understand pressure. I would far rather gently teach a horse boundaries with a dually, rope halter or headcollar than resort to an emergency rope around the nose. IH isn't about quick fixes - it's about encourqaging horses to want to work with us. I don't use a dually on either of mine, because they have trained to understand that what I want is a loose rope when they lead. if people are thinking duallys are there for restraining a tanking off horse, then I understand the misconceptions surrounding them!
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Post by cokey on Dec 31, 2007 17:45:16 GMT 1
Oh, I'm getting caught up in semantics here!
*I* don't think that they're used for restraining. Personally, I lead all mine round with a rope round their necks!
BUT, if people HAVE to lead their horse in a dually or rope halter else they tank off, then the meaning of Intelligence has somewhat been lost....
Hope that's clearer now!!
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Post by Ally S on Dec 31, 2007 17:51:02 GMT 1
I agree 100% Cokey. If people are needing them to prevent tanking instead of training, then they've not mastered IH!! I think we're saying the same thing!!
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Post by cokey on Dec 31, 2007 17:51:42 GMT 1
Oh, 'kay then!!
Just didn't want you to think *I* was against them!
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Post by Ally S on Dec 31, 2007 18:01:18 GMT 1
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Post by sarahfox on Dec 31, 2007 18:42:38 GMT 1
Well I have left this thread all day and most of you have been well behaved!!Thats nice! Some good points made I think. Probably one of the biggest problems that any system is up against is people gaining a little knowledge and thinking thats the whole deal. I also think that the biggest problem with trying to teach 'horsemanship' to a wide audience is that it is very much a personal thing between horse and handler.
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Post by janetgeorge on Dec 31, 2007 18:44:45 GMT 1
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Post by emmerrie on Dec 31, 2007 19:53:34 GMT 1
Donning gas mask tin hat and chemical flame proof suit Ok thats is what I dislike about IH, and that not that I have been to an IH demo but I heard that you give out lots of flyers about MW or people trained to teach by her and none of Heather Moffett's The reason I dislike the connection with MW is that she seems to over complicates things and have known a few people that have nearly thrown the towel in on riding cos of that and other methods they have tried. And I haven't heard much good about MW either love to be proved wrong here but I haven't. Off to catch my naught helicopter
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Post by Lorraine L on Dec 31, 2007 19:57:46 GMT 1
Perhaps you need to go and see a demo then. Seriously perhaps you shouldn't make an opinion unless you try it for yourself. Treat yourself and go to one. You might like what you find.
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Post by heather on Dec 31, 2007 20:07:29 GMT 1
Think you are now up the norty tree with Maggot and myself, Janet, shall I bring that Scotch!!! ;D Thanks for the vote!!em-merrie, - but IH has long been associated with RWYM. I think that the EE methods are just too simplicistic for the more cerebrally minded, and therefore are not believable. But I dont take it personally!!! The members of DG are of the same mindset as the EE members when it comes to the humane treatment of the horse, and why I frequent this and Max's forum, in preference to any of the others, other than EE of course!! Heather
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Post by Ally S on Dec 31, 2007 20:15:07 GMT 1
Well I've been through all the courses, and while I know RWYM is supported by some IH people, I have never understood it to be 'THE way'. At the last demo I went to, Monty and Kelly were demonstrating totally innovative ideas that as far as I know aren't linked to anyone.
Heather, you live near me - one of these days I'd love to bring my Arab down for a lesson!!
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Post by janetgeorge on Dec 31, 2007 20:20:49 GMT 1
Think you are now up the norty tree with Maggot and myself, Janet, shall I bring that Scotch!!! ;D Thanks for the vote!!em-merrie, - but IH has long been associated with RWYM. I think that the EE methods are just too simplicistic for the more cerebrally minded, and therefore are not believable. But I dont take it personally!!! As long as it's a 10 year Malt! And when I start my new horsemanship method (No Sh*t Horsemanship) it's going to incorporate RWYA (Ride with your a*se!) So we'll need LOTS of seat-savers!
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Post by indibindi on Dec 31, 2007 20:23:56 GMT 1
pmsl @ janet lol
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