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Post by sarahfox on Dec 30, 2007 22:10:36 GMT 1
Think I might start my own forum then I can be a mod and delete norty peoples threads!teehee!!!!
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Post by Kitty McSpeilberg McGormley on Dec 30, 2007 22:13:00 GMT 1
its amusing how this thread is 5 pages long, but the good things about IH is not even one full page, is that cos its easier to think of the bad things??!! i think so!! and Kelly, just u wait...!!!
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Post by Nina on Dec 30, 2007 22:18:23 GMT 1
ok here is my 2 pennies worth I have only ever met 2 totally IH minded people, and by that I mean staunch, wont look at any other way regardless and I have to say what a mess their horses are!! neither can be ridden, 2 can barely be handled it's almost that to them IH ways are a cult and must be obeyed! In my mind a true good horse person is one that looks at every way and can see the rights and wrongs for that particular horse, regardless of the name that goes with it. (By the way I can't climb trees so shant go up )
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Post by indibindi on Dec 30, 2007 22:19:44 GMT 1
No, I think there is a lot of constructive feedback on this thread - no out and out criticism at all.
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Post by sarahfox on Dec 30, 2007 22:21:05 GMT 1
You dont need to nina,your post was well behaved for this thread!Now if you had posted it on the good things thread that would be a different matter...
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Post by Nina on Dec 30, 2007 22:24:21 GMT 1
oooh runs off to post onthe other thread
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Post by pinkpony on Dec 30, 2007 22:56:58 GMT 1
hmmmmmm, Intelligent Horsemanship.....bad points....hmmm. now let me see, Using my brain and training my horses in an "intelligent way"....Nope, cant fault it....
(((((The DG is not "pysical" horse work tho is it))))
But I like it..
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Post by fin on Dec 30, 2007 23:09:52 GMT 1
ok here is my 2 pennies worth I have only ever met 2 totally IH minded people, and by that I mean staunch, wont look at any other way regardless and I have to say what a mess their horses are!! neither can be ridden, 2 can barely be handled it's almost that to them IH ways are a cult and must be obeyed! (By the way I can't climb trees so shant go up ) Lol, if their horses are that bad then TBH they're not doing the IH thing properly, then. The IH way IS to look at all possible causes and routes to a solution. It's about taking blinkers off, not putting them on. Can you manage a rope ladder? We could throw one down the tree or maybe haul you up on a rope if you like--we have chocolate and honeycomb toffee up here ATM (Well, I do, anyway ).
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Post by Donnalex on Dec 30, 2007 23:24:19 GMT 1
Some people who are 'into' IH dont seem to realise that the desired effect is to end up with a well behaved, relaxed non confrontational horse. They seem to have missed the mark somewhere and appear to think that it is a way of somehow molly coddling their horse into being a big soppy pet, with the end result being a spoilt brat rather like a brattish overindulged child. Anyone new to it then think IH is for pony hugging idealists rather than practical horse owning people.
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Post by Bay Mare on Dec 31, 2007 9:08:04 GMT 1
I'd like to see more positive reinforcement used in conjunction with IH. I used a mix of the two very successfully but have had more success since I've added the +ve reinforcement. I'd like to see more about the basic IH groundwork so that people don't think that IH = Join Up. We all know that IH isn't all about JU but others out there don't. Like any system IH attracts those who see it as a quick way to putting themselves up on a pedestal. Not an IH problem, though, really just a human problem. Having people going out 'helping' other people when they really don't have a clue and aren't qualified isn't a good advert though! The one thing that I don't like about IH (I've already got my tin hat and flame proof suit on) is that the Craig Stevens method of riding is starting to become synonemous with IH. I might be way off but that's the 'word on the street' and the reason that (when I can afford to do the courses) I won't be booking on a riding course. PLEASE feel free to disabuse me of this understanding as I'd love to be proved wrong There's a lot of good about IH so that really is nit picking
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Post by teresa on Dec 31, 2007 9:38:40 GMT 1
As already mentioned not enough local RA's and, before anyone suggests that I could go on the course, it is true I would love to, financially I am not able to.
I have used an RA to help guide me with my horse and found her very helpful, yes it was "expensive" but, the advice she was able to give by being with us for the morning has been invaluable to us throughout the years.
One thing I do find slightly worrying, is the number of people who think they can do "Join Up" etc. Without having been on the course to learn the "trick of the trade" themselves. How much confusion and how many wrong signals is this likely to put out to their horses and ponies? It is a case of "I have seen it done at a demo and can do it myself".
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Post by Donnalex on Dec 31, 2007 9:58:07 GMT 1
Who is Craig Stevens? Teresa - isnt being able to remedy things yourself, do join up if you think it is necessary, help yourself to fixing all sorts of problems and so on the aim of the books written by Monty Roberts? The book from my hands to yours is a guide, if you can read and understand the books, have a genuine feel for horses and can read them, you dont need an RA. Thats what I understood the books were for.
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Post by sarahfox on Dec 31, 2007 10:25:49 GMT 1
Really interesting post baymare,some very valid points there imo. Not sure about the craig stevens thing being closely linked with IH,but I can imagine you have just started a war there!
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Post by jo on Dec 31, 2007 10:37:11 GMT 1
here here dona, my sentiments exactly.
*I'm still up in my tree - just using iridium messaging*
I STILL see many owners who shouldn't even have a horse due to their lack of understanding, they have different goals and will NEVER 'get it' It's the horse who suffers, gets hurt physically or mentally before the owner does. All the RAs in the world won't help those people unless they could offer a rocking horse instead. I despair when on my present yard not one of the horses knows how to give to pressure, be calmly led through gateways and muddy conditions safely. One of the (if not THE) largest equine training centres in the UK should be targeted (again) by IH IMHO. Lead by example? I did - then I quote resources I've learnt from and handlers/owners all walk off tutting about the expense or not having the time to do all that learning! Can't win! I HAVE mentioned RAs to owners but they won't pay, won't learn - many are kids. Somehow the IH marketing is NOT helping enough teenagers, Pony Clubbers because the IH stuff is too blurry. We need some 'heroes' who can endorse KM, MR etc and then maybe we'll get somewhere? Bad thing is - how long has IH been about and why isn't it happening faster?
*don't need alcohol yet - Happy New Year tree huggers* *apogoly to LizP - I may have overstepped her mark*
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Post by teresa on Dec 31, 2007 11:28:35 GMT 1
Dona, I agree that you should be able to read the books and do some things yourself, if you have some knowledge of horses in the first place this might be possible, what about first time owners, for whatever reason some people have not been fortunate enough to own a horse early in life. The reasons I gave were relevant to my situation, during my early days of being a first time horse owner, believe me the story is too long for this thread and irrelevant, we all have different situations and what I typed was relevant to mine. Books are good and I have now purchased several, which as you say have helped me along, but in the very early days I found a visit from the RA very good to suggest ways of communicating with my horse, without the suggestions I had been given previously which were to hit him, hit him harder etc. I am not wishing to start an argument just trying to clear up some points that may have been misunderstood.
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