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Post by gixer on Jun 2, 2009 15:38:56 GMT 1
Well its been a rough one, Rio had her shoes off in Jan and we started out with one DAEP.... who turned out to be less than reliabe so we changed and today had our 2nd full trim from our new DAEP. Here are some pics of her fores they are the worry feet her hinds could be from a diferent horse! I am happy to say I feel like with them, and have many moments of wishing I had not started down this road, we've been on a hard surface ban pretty much since they came off and I just don't have the spare funds for hoof boots I know todays trim is a bit rough but Rio is in season and was being an utter cow bag about holding her feet up! (although she was holding them nicely for me lol) Any comments welcomed
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Post by Suz on Jun 2, 2009 16:11:01 GMT 1
well done for sticking with it, I know it can be tough. What kind of conditioning program has your trimer got you on? When my older boy first had his shoes off we were really good and stuck to the 10 mins of tarmac, and sand, and loose gravel a day. Well at least the tarmac and gravel bit, the nearest sand is 15 mins walk away so we had to build up to that bit! The improvements were amazing and he is now a happy barefoot pony. BTW nice to have you back
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Post by gixer on Jun 2, 2009 16:19:14 GMT 1
No real conditioning program suggested, our fields are sandy soil and school is sand. to get to tarmac we have to cross compacted hardcore which is instant lame Rio and TY
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Post by Suz on Jun 2, 2009 16:24:11 GMT 1
When you say instant lame do you mean lame just on the hardcore or bruising causing prolonged lameness?
And if you can't afford boots (know the feeling) what about taping sole mates to her feet for turn out? This will provide lots of the right kind of stimulation to help the correct structures in the foot to strengthen.
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Post by gixer on Jun 2, 2009 16:34:20 GMT 1
I do have the solemates so may actuall get round tonight to fitting them! I keep looking at them and envisaging the ball ache to get them cut etc
Instant lame and sore for a few hours afterwards depending on how much she has had to walk on it and if she caught anything extra big/ sharp
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Post by barbararob on Jun 2, 2009 17:36:11 GMT 1
Have you got any sole pics - any chance of laying some matting on the rough bit to get to some conditioning - I've seen feet an awful lot worse, come good.
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Post by geeup on Jun 2, 2009 20:19:01 GMT 1
I'm no barefoot expert by any means at all, but they don't look as good as they can be to me. What does DEAP stand for? My farrier gave me false advie and now i have an EP, is it the same? She comes every 6 weeks and the difference of a few millimeters off has been astounding, pony is even less spooky and nappy now. Have you checked the frogs at all, ours had undiagnosed deep seated thrush ( for ages which was classed as behaviur problems by our vet) which was making her foot sore at the heel and frog so she wasn't putting her foot down evenly, but she would still walk on stones. As i said, I'm sure more knowledgable folk will help with better advice. I havn't regrettted barefoot one minute, but have learnt the hard way, be careful with barefoot who you trust, because any problems with the feet really show up and arn't hidden like shod horses . I'd never shoe now.
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Post by june on Jun 2, 2009 20:31:58 GMT 1
You've still got a lot of flare there. Once the foot has recovered sufficiently for that to be removed she'll be a lot happier. They look a whole lot better already. It will just take a bit of time to get them sorted out.
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Post by laura on Jun 2, 2009 20:35:17 GMT 1
agree they will get there .......just takes time .. have pm d you .. if they will fit rio you are welcome to have my pair of old macs we dont use any more ... at least they will get you to the tarmac etc to condition the feet
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Post by honey on Jun 2, 2009 20:38:19 GMT 1
umm geeup i have to agree, they could be alot better shape than they are, theres alot of correction needed in rio's feet. How long do you leave between trimming, heels are very high in front and very low in behind and this can cause a lot of problems with pressure on landing and cause cracking and flaring ect. i would actually recommend a trim every 3-4 weeks to start with to get the feet growing in the correct shape and then once growing in the correct shape about 6-8 weeks depending on the condition of the feet. Are you feeding any supplements to help with the cracking ect, its worth perservereing with i don't put shoes on any of mine just regular trimming and I never trim or file the bottom of the hoofs unless they really need it cause then they are not walking on the sole but have hoof and the frog contacts first to cushion the foot, and if they are geting enough exercise on hard surfaces they will wear down naturally and all the farrier should be doing is shaping the hoofs to keep them from cracking and allowing the hoof to grow in its proper shape.
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Post by rifruffian on Jun 2, 2009 20:43:49 GMT 1
I'll write three things about this: first I suggest you feed magnesium oxide, if any deficiency in the diet currently exists the supplement might help overall foot condition; second, the photos would not satisfy some observers that the trim is a good one; third, perhaps the feet need trim attention at a frequency more than every six weeks.
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Post by gillmcg on Jun 2, 2009 21:26:20 GMT 1
The biggest difference for me between shod and barefoot was the amount of work I had to do!! Gone were the days of paying the farrier, picking out the feet once a day and phoning when (note: not IF) he lost a shoe. In my opinion it's probably only 40% trim - the rest is conditioning (surprised your EP didn't suggest anything), diet, exercise and environment. They looked pretty awful to start with but are heading in the right direction. But...if you don't get the conditioning, diet, exercise and environment right it'll take three times as long - or you may not get there at all..... Good luck Gixer.
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Post by Yann on Jun 2, 2009 21:47:37 GMT 1
I really feel for you and your horse, because I've got one with very similar feet. I really really would advise you to beg steal or borrow some hoof boots and pads, because the lack of support and protection won't be doing them any favours. If your horse is anything like mine then diet is a major issue too, but I'm guessing she's a tb type and it can be very difficult to square the circle between keeping their weight on and controlling the diet enough to get on top of the flare. Six weeks is far too long between trims, if you can't afford the trimmer more regularly then steal an old rasp from them and get them to show you how to trim flare off, and do some interim trimming, because that will help a lot too. Unless you can get the her moving more comfortably and start building the feet up a bit you may well end up stuck in a vicious circle of flare and soreness with an uncomfortable and unrideable horse
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Post by Suz on Jun 2, 2009 21:58:18 GMT 1
Just thought try the tip for old carpet, rugs or curtains to put over the hard core to get you to the tarmac.
The best way to do the sole mates is to draw round her feet with her standing on a piece of paper, remember to mark which foot is which!. tape the paper to the sole mate and cut round it- I find a serrated blade like a small bread knife is easiest.
I am a complete idiot at doing stuff like this but even I managed it just fine! I attached them to his feet with duct tape like I was poultising.
Good luck- they really will help.
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Post by gixer on Jun 2, 2009 22:08:28 GMT 1
ok not sure where I said I was on a 6 week trim, we're on 4 weeklys have been so pretty much since Jan.
Diet wise, well we're now on HiFi (soaked to remove the sugar dumbo here forgot she was meant to be buying lite and realised too late!) + at the mo TS comprehensive (than granular one) but we're running that down now and will replace with biotin, magox + some salt. This is on the advice of Richard Vialls For the last 2 nmonths or so I know she has always had the optimum levels of Biotin and Magnesiaum in her diet, prior to that no there was a lack.
DAEP is a Degree Applied Equibe Podiatrist as trained by KC La Pierre. I may well change over to have my EE instructor do her, she's EPAUK (Equie Podiaty Associaton UK) as it was her that contacted Richard Vialls on my behalf to ask about diet etc and how the feet are looking, not in a good way TBH but thats everyones view, she isn't helping by being an utter cow bag to be trimmed!!
Minds swinning at the mo, its also been suggested that she could have suffed some LGL something neither DAEP trimmer has ever mentioned to me at all! needless to say I'm a slightly worried mum now, and I also feel like I'm being a hypochondriac on Rio;s behalf!!
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