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Post by chrissiew on Mar 19, 2009 15:29:57 GMT 1
Melissa if you decide to stay barefoot and want trimmer recommendations for your area - I would 110% recommend Trevor Jones, who is a DAEP, he's fab and very knowledgeable.
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Post by gillmcg on Mar 19, 2009 15:37:23 GMT 1
If you're in Trevor's area you're a very lucky Melissa indeed!!! He's excellent. Just want to repeat my comment - show the x-rays to an experienced EP (that's Trevor) and take it from there.
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Post by pd on Mar 19, 2009 15:53:03 GMT 1
show the x-rays to an experienced EP (that's Trevor) and take it from there. A great piece of advice IMO
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Post by melissa on Mar 19, 2009 16:13:52 GMT 1
Trevor Jones? I looked on the website for EP's in my area and he wasn't one. Do you know where abouts he is?? I would love to be able to show the x rays to him especially if he is that good!!! Thanks everyone for your help btw
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Post by easyaspie on Mar 19, 2009 16:26:02 GMT 1
Hi Melissa
To confuse you even more.... There are 3 (more really but the 3 major ones) schools of training for trimmers in the UK
1. DAEP's - who are KC Pierre registered trimmers 2. EP's - who are an off shoot of the original DAEP's (Justine Jenkins set this group up), and 3. UKNHCP's - who in turn were originally an offshoot of Jamie Jackson's and Pete Ramey's AANHCP
So as long as you have a trimmer in your area from one of these schools you can be guaranteed that they have undergone excellent training, CPD and they will have a Code of Conduct to work to.
All these three groups were represented at the recent LANTRA meeting (and are part of the working group) to have their training programmes accrediated and become part of the National Occupational Standards. LANTRA is the training and educational part of DEFRA which working with all animals in the UK comes under.
So Trevor Jones is a DAEP, you will need to do a search for his contact details on the DAEP's website.,
Excellent advice here for you from just about everyone and I would echo the view that wedges on shoes for horses will, in the long run, not solve his problems.
Good luck
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Post by mandal on Mar 19, 2009 16:28:59 GMT 1
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Post by melissa on Mar 19, 2009 16:30:43 GMT 1
easyaspie - thank you very much! I had no idea about the different barefoot people! Really very helpful. Yes I agree there is alot of great advice on here and I am really grateful for it all
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Post by serenac on Mar 19, 2009 16:33:29 GMT 1
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Post by mandal on Mar 19, 2009 16:33:48 GMT 1
UKNHCP's - who in turn were originally an offshoot of Jamie Jackson's and Pete Ramey's AANHCP ;D I believe Pete Ramey is no longer in the AANHCP It's soooo confusing keeping up with them all!;D
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Post by melissa on Mar 19, 2009 16:34:26 GMT 1
Thanks mandal! Trevor Jones is in my area I will give him a ring!!
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Post by easyaspie on Mar 19, 2009 16:44:54 GMT 1
Mandal, sorry I forgot I need to be absolutely specific when posting on websites.
Yes, Pete Ramey is no longer a member of the AANCHP and hasn't been since around early 2007, but then none of the original members are... it kind of imploded.
Cindy Sullivan (one of the original AANCHP directors) set up the Equine Sciences out of the old AANHCP's and most, but not PR, joined this and are now lecturers and trainers for the Equine Sciences in the USA. So if you want a great training programme then I believe that Abigail Hogg and Lesley Holehouse have set up the UK division of the Equine Sciences and again they were represented at the LANTRA meeting.
It was just to give the original poster a reference point of how and where the organisations in the UK originally came from.
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Post by Susan on Mar 19, 2009 17:12:42 GMT 1
Trevor is extremely good and has been trained more or less since KC started his courses here in the UK, He was originally a EP who went on to gain further training with KC and because not only a DAEP but also is now a trainer to teach owners on short courses about feet! and basics of the HPT trimming methods, HPT means High Performance Trim. To explain it means to not simply trim the foot for unshod but looking all all the foot needs to gain the foot for performance, that is work. Trimming is one small part of it often.
I came out of shoes and we had very nasty feet indeed, I feel 100% now if we had not Flynn would have suffered possible navicular issues. He was showing up a very short stride. Flat feet Oh we had flat feet and we had crushed heels. I wont say no heels as all horses have heels it is the direction they grow that is often the problem and advice off a well trained trimmer will be aiming to not simply come out trim your horse like many farriers do, but advising ways to improve the foot so it will be the foot you want from your horse to do the things you want if possible. I have explained on the other thread about my friend who went against her vet who wanted her horse in eggbars.. and she took off shoes and guess what a sound horse in time. Not what the vet expected at all. But it didnt simply happen with just the trim she had to put in work, often in early days in solemates taped on and inside of boots. What gave Flynn correct heels was the use of the PHW..it hasnt worked for all horses but it certainly did for him, Trevor would advice on that. He is one super guy and could also work with your vet, even your farrier if he is willing to listen. I was told by and DAEP who is a very close friend, you do not shoe a bad foot.
It wont make it good long term, and any hint of success will often bite back in another way. Like explained lifting heels will only cause an imbalance another way. Mandal and PD know their stuff it is good advice and Louise should also know loads! Tim M is her partner another super DAEP and trainer.!!
Sadly many vets still only know about shoeing and if you always do what you have always done you will always get what you have always got. One day as more and more horses show vets unshod does and can work will they suggest it as the 1st option.
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Post by mandal on Mar 19, 2009 17:46:09 GMT 1
Lol easyaspie! It was something I heard a while ago and didn't know the ins and outs! Just wanted to add to the confusion , not pull you up. Sorry if it came over that way. Also Cindy Sullivans web site is a great source of info too.
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Post by melissa on Mar 19, 2009 19:32:01 GMT 1
I am struggling with what barefoot trimmer to go with OK we have Trevor Jones and Debbie Crossoer. Which one do you think would be best for me? Thanks again for all your posts!
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Post by arabmania on Mar 19, 2009 21:18:08 GMT 1
i don't think shoeing is the answer. Its so sad to hear when horses get this I ditto many of the replies that recommend finding a good trimmer and start correcting the foot and its natural balance. What do you know of his previous history on his feet?
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