laura
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Post by laura on Dec 28, 2007 3:02:45 GMT 1
Its worse than that even hazelhorse,90% of trainers seem to be teaching the wrong ( imo) way too,there are so many people desperate for a decent trainer,and so few about,and imo theres no way that people can progress along the right track without sooooooooo agree with this sarah ....... maybe, just maybe that is why so many people who are unhappy with this have gone onto NH methods (like myself )..... swing on the pendulum while learning and give toooo much ..... then, like the best of all the "different methods" find the common denominator to get self carriage (with whatever outline is suited to the horse /work. ) NH has little to do with "slopping along" ... but like western and classical seeks to work to lightness with no bit first ........ then add more if required later with a bit.
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Post by numbat on Dec 28, 2007 5:51:31 GMT 1
Here's where we are at these days, with no bit (sorry the picture's so big):
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Post by heather on Dec 28, 2007 10:10:06 GMT 1
Trouble is Laura, there is one type of NH that does indeed encourage 'slopping along', better not mention it!!- but the riding instruction beggars belief, and leads to the horse simply never engaging properly. The rider moves about so much in the saddle, that it is impossible to use the back and seat effectively to engage the haunches, and the horse looks like a string bean.
Looking good Sue, bitless, but with your horse being an Arab, I find that they are very receptive to bitless riding, as was my own Arab stallion, who was one of the horses who tested the early Bob Cooks. Also, your horse is still in a very nice novice outline, I would be interested to see pics of when you are attempting collection. This is when I find that the bitless doesnt work, at least, for me.
Heather
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Post by sarahfox on Dec 28, 2007 10:16:03 GMT 1
Absolutely beautiful numbat!! I do agree with Heather re the collection/finesse stages though,I have found that there is finesse lacking without the bit.However,if you can attain it without then can I book in for lessons please?! Thats the problem sherb,in a word,no! If it was that easy nobody would need a good instructor! Although if either Heather or Sue or anybody else fancies a go Im all ears!
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Post by heather on Dec 28, 2007 10:18:26 GMT 1
Hazelhorse and Sarah,
Re the 95% of dressage horses, couldnt agree more. But whilst the judges want to see this, I just dont know how we proceed to make riders realise it is wrong! They want to win, and will do what the judge wants to see!
Heather
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Post by Casper on Dec 28, 2007 11:20:14 GMT 1
Numbat I think you and your horse are looking really good.
To be honest I won't be posting any ridden pictures on the DG, as it seems that unless your horse is in perfect collection, you are an exmplary rider etc etc there isn't room for us happy hackers on here any more! We are all doing our best, and striving for more - Rome wasn't built in a day...
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Post by rhillahorse on Dec 28, 2007 12:26:29 GMT 1
Beautiful picture numbat ;D
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Post by suewhitmore on Dec 28, 2007 14:38:51 GMT 1
Sherb, it is possible yes, but I am too ill to be bothered. Essentially, it means using the absolute minimum movement to indicate your request to the horse - it should be no more than a slight flexion of your fingers. In order to achieve this lightness, you need an even, elastic contact on the rein. The rein doesn't need to be short, provided the contact is even, the horse will feel any change. You have to be able to maintain this in order to use a double bridle effectively.
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Post by sarahfox on Dec 28, 2007 14:58:28 GMT 1
Casper,I think it is really sad if anybody feels that way. As far as I am aware the only pics/vids that have ever recieved any negative comments are those which depict horse in harsh bits or gadgets,even then the normal flash/grackles/pelhams etc have never been commented on to my knowledge. Heathers comment on numbats horse was very positive, the horse looks fantastic,the only question for classicists was how far can we go without the bit? which doesnt mean anybody is knocking what numbat is doing,and tbh doesnt apply atall to anybody who isnt into classical. I am a great believer in people who want to simply hack and enjoy their horse riding on a loose rein in a snaffle or headcollar/dually,I think thats great,and certainly most sensible people shouldnt get into the blasted perfection of classical !The part of classical that is great for everybody though is the seat/feel,this benefits every horse and rider and isnt technical,just requires a good teacher and some effort,and that is what Heather specialises in as far as I am aware!
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Post by suewhitmore on Dec 28, 2007 15:02:09 GMT 1
Sarah, are you still sulking with me?
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Post by sarahfox on Dec 28, 2007 16:33:24 GMT 1
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Post by suewhitmore on Dec 28, 2007 16:38:36 GMT 1
Just feeling fragile - went to work and had to come home, very unusual. Nigel is actually going to feed hay and water tonight, WE HAVE LIGHT, but I feel too ill to go and see it.
BTW, I like this thread, it's interesting.
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Post by laura on Dec 28, 2007 17:49:38 GMT 1
I think thats great,and certainly most sensible people shouldnt get into the blasted perfection of classical !The part of classical that is great for everybody though is the seat/feel,this benefits every horse and rider and isnt technical,just requires a good teacher and some effort,and that is what Heather specialises in as far as I am aware! I think that it can indeed put a LOT of pressure on horse and rider if you are always "striving for perfection" ... because you can never get there LOL Ther is no harm in wanting to be a "good" happy hacker though .... that my goal. I will get enough softness and repsonse in the bitless to suit Taz and I ..... but I dont want a horse that will sidepass across the road if I turn to talk to a hacking partner so in some respects my aids will always stay a "little crude" compared to some .... but I still dont want people to see my leg move I dont want or need high school passage or piaffe ..... but I do want a soft back up from a weight aid or a twitch of fingers ( as when she is driven we still need to use the reins Trouble is Laura, there is one type of NH that does indeed encourage 'slopping along', better not mention it!!- I think I know the one .... and it kinda mixes people up when they think that is how western riding is ... and dont actually LOOK at the difference in the going of the horses ... even though the headcarriage is low a good experienced western horse in a jog IS engaged. as you say ...... you can still have an apparently loose rein or lower head carriage and still "have a contact".
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Post by Cheryl Walmsley on Dec 28, 2007 18:13:24 GMT 1
thanks sue, this thread is cool, very informative.
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Post by sarahfox on Dec 28, 2007 18:15:50 GMT 1
Nice post Laura. dont feel fragile sue,I still love you!xxxxx
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