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Post by sarahfox on Dec 24, 2007 21:10:22 GMT 1
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lizziee
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Post by lizziee on Dec 24, 2007 21:32:32 GMT 1
Didn't get very far before my brain turned to semolina, but some lovely pics of Bettina (whoever she is).
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Post by butterfly on Dec 24, 2007 21:37:28 GMT 1
I did!! I did!!! do I get points???
Test me then!!! he he
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Post by sarahfox on Dec 24, 2007 22:21:51 GMT 1
lol lizziee! The first few paragraphs are the most educational really! Ok butterfly,in what hand would the snaffle reins be held,when riding a young horse as practised by Galiberti?and what would the other set of reins be fixed to? and where does Harry Boldt think a dressage horses nose should be,on,behind or in front of the vertical? free bottle of vino on our next exploit for answering all correctly!
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Post by suewhitmore on Dec 24, 2007 22:56:24 GMT 1
Sarah, what is the matter with you? You're getting all educated reading hard stuff.
Let me guess, 1) right hand, along with one curb rein 2) but a yound horse has the curb reins on the snaffle and the snaffle reins on the cavesson 3) well, I think it whould be slightly in front of or on the vertical, so I don't give a hoot what HB thinks. EXTRA STRONG coffee please...... has the same effect, as you know.
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Post by sarahfox on Dec 24, 2007 23:05:09 GMT 1
LOL sue!! I liked the link to Bettina Drummond that I found on EE,have since been browsing the eclectic horse stuff! Anyhow,youre cheating,you are supposed to read it,not guess! 1) is wrong,as this is a young horse,as you remember in 2)!It is the left hand as that is the weaker hand and less pressure/intervention is required on the snaffle at this point,than the cavesson which is in the right. The system you correctly describe is that used by the SRS for trained horses. 2) DING!! one point! 3) DING! one point!lol! Now you have ruined it for butterfly!she cant pretend to have read it now! Klaus also uses the system of 2 reins,one pair on the cavesson and one on the snaffle,I wonder why it is used so infrequently these days? Also,why are there so many different ways to hold the 2 reins of a double?miss???!
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Post by suewhitmore on Dec 24, 2007 23:20:25 GMT 1
I expect they were developed as blokes lost their fingers in war. Just as the sidesaddle was really developed for blokes who had lost legs or part of them, but was also enormously beneficial for women after childbirth - beleive me, if modern zip-ups go wrong, the pain of astride is excruciating, and this must have been what it wad like for many women in the past.
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Post by sarahfox on Dec 24, 2007 23:23:02 GMT 1
Yes,hadnt thought of that.Of course many of the riding methods of the clasical schools would be connected to war.
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Post by fin on Dec 25, 2007 2:01:02 GMT 1
Klaus also uses the system of 2 reins,one pair on the cavesson and one on the snaffle,I wonder why it is used so infrequently these days? /
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Post by sarahfox on Dec 25, 2007 4:01:47 GMT 1
Some classicists do use it,Finn,and its good to hear that western still incorporates it,I just wonder why it isnt much more widespread,as it makes far more sense to me.
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Post by cbc on Dec 25, 2007 7:44:40 GMT 1
Interesting article, read in peace and quiet for once Ought to be engraved on the heart of every rider. It makes me feel old (older perhaps) as that was what we were taught as the ideal at riding school. What I didnt know was that the cavesson was used so much before the bit with young horses in the past.
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Post by fin on Dec 26, 2007 12:18:54 GMT 1
Some classicists do use it,Finn,and its good to hear that western still incorporates it,I just wonder why it isnt much more widespread,as it makes far more sense to me. I suppose it's because there's so much emphasis on 'bitting' a horse to 'get them used to it' But that seems to be how a lot of supposed training works over here--rather than work in gradual steps towards achieveing a goal with a happy unstressed horse, people just jump straight in and expect that the horse will 'get used to it.' A bit like a mate of mine who thinks 'bitting' a horse involves marching into its stable and forcibly putting a bridle on it and leaving it for 20 mins a day until it gets used to the bit. Seems like a time consuming way to do it to me. I'm pretty sure that 20 mins with a bag of treats, a jar of honey and a bit of sneaky thinking would have my greedy ponio desperate to get a bit into her gob (although she's going to be driven bitless anyway so we won't bother). It is a very British thing though, this refusal to work TOWARDS a goal in small steps or by lateral thinking--it's as though they all want to be just able to DO things by magic I'm sure it's a cultural thing--I've seen it so much in education it drives me up the wall, and even though things are changing, I still think that British folks see working towards a goal not as progress, but as failure to achieve
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Post by butterfly on Dec 26, 2007 12:26:44 GMT 1
Im sulking now because I didnt get chance to answer in time I knew the answer to the left had bit. I found that really interesting .... How good that must be for the horse. Mmmm honey ... Butterflies like honey
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Post by sarahfox on Dec 26, 2007 15:31:47 GMT 1
Bees like honey,not butterflies! I think you are right finn,although I suspect it is an arrogance thing as much as anything,ie: the horse should just do what I want!
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Post by fin on Dec 26, 2007 19:39:25 GMT 1
Yup, horse should do what I want. AND I SHOULDN'T HAVE TO BL00DY ACCOMODATE THE HORSE BY CHANGING THE WAY I DO THINGS!!!!! I'm eternally thankful that both of my horses are extremely strong characters, and have no compunctions about telling me where to get off if I'm not doing things properly It's a bit of an education being made to eat humble pie by a horse, but I'm sure it's done me a lot of good (I'm still alive for a start ). Butterflies do like honey, actually--if you get an ill and feeble butterfly a thin solution of honey can really perk it up. I've used it on baby birds too and it always works
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