Azrael
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Post by Azrael on Dec 29, 2007 18:45:55 GMT 1
If in white line then possibly laminitis (but old rather than going on right then), would expect to see some other evidence of it in the feet as well if bad enough to give obvious bruising all the way around the white line.
Right under the shoe on the sole would make me wonder if a shoe had been on too tight and bruised the sole, but it might not be the shoe taken off right then, takes a while to grow down and be visible so might have been a previous set of shoes that did it.
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Post by butterfly on Dec 29, 2007 18:56:16 GMT 1
Sounds very odd to me ... is this a trick question?
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Vicky&Beenie
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Post by Vicky&Beenie on Dec 29, 2007 19:00:06 GMT 1
shoe probably too small (tight) would have caused bruising
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Post by debbiec on Dec 29, 2007 19:02:08 GMT 1
Ah you call it influence...... I call it evidence Technically any brusing will be some sort of laminitis at some level. Brusing is (strictly speaking) internal bleeding, and laminitis is inflammation of the laminar. Depends how technical you want to get. You could argue that inflammation of the sole coruim isn't laminitis but it's still inflammtion within the foot and a rose by any other name and all that. How long ago did the shoes come off? Is he sore? Was he sore? Why did the shoes come off in the first place? Has the brusing gone now? Is there any brusing in the wall? Any growth rings? What's the wall quality like? Is there any infection? What level of work is he in now? What level of work was he in shod? Are you concerned or just interested in what's going on? Debs
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Post by mags on Dec 29, 2007 19:02:57 GMT 1
nope not trick question , wanted to see what ppl thought first but im wondering if dan has slight low grade laminitis and wondered if this could have been connected
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Post by Casper on Dec 29, 2007 19:03:09 GMT 1
Only thing that made me think of laminitis Mags was because of the bruising/red in the foot, which I know can be one of the signs of the dreaded lammi.
Only other thoughts are that it could have been down to problems with the shoe - too tight, not the right fit, slight imbalance in the trimming before the shoe was put on etc... But I have to say if I had seen this in Bobby or Clover my very first thought would have been laminitis, whether LGL or full blown.
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Post by Lulu on Dec 29, 2007 19:03:59 GMT 1
Could he not have had a lot of excess flaring of hoof wall all around COMBINED with narrow width shoe, thus all the pressure is on the thick hoof wall (tugging away at laminae) and not enough support underneath. You'd be suprised now much flare you can get in some horses, over half the width of a shoe ! That must make a difference, just pondering here, not an expert, and just a theory
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Post by butterfly on Dec 29, 2007 19:05:46 GMT 1
Ok so you have admitted it was bruising cos your farrier said so. This was years ago so you already know the answer.
You were interested in Caspers lami comment. Mmmmm
How about
He was a cross dresser and painted his nails at night then put his shoes back on so no one would know???
No .... too silly.
Ermmm ..... Im going for something related to laminitis .... maybe there was a lami problem that was masked by the shoes and the bruising was actual blood in the white line .... sounds pretty horrid to me.
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Post by mags on Dec 29, 2007 19:06:21 GMT 1
Btw the shoes he had on before this were driving shoes
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Post by butterfly on Dec 29, 2007 19:08:07 GMT 1
Wow lots of posts all at once!!!!
By blood I mean bruising btw!!
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Post by mags on Dec 29, 2007 19:11:00 GMT 1
hmmm ty ppl im really thinking about the low grade laminitis now. Can anyone list the symptoms for me
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Post by Casper on Dec 29, 2007 19:20:58 GMT 1
Shoes would probably mask most if not all of the symptoms of LGL Mags TBH. But the signs can include soreness after being trimmed, raised digital pulses, finding it difficult to cope with terrains which previously the horse has been sound over, bruising in the foot etc. (Can't think of any more at the moment Mags, sorry).
It could possibly have been caused by a knock to the foot, although seems strange with it being a bruise literally all the way round.
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Post by dingbat on Dec 29, 2007 19:20:59 GMT 1
lgl - can be different in different horses - but....
footy over hard/stony ground (in shoes as well) and reluctant to go forward. you usually get growth rings too and possible bruising underneath or slight changes (but only noticeable of you know what they normally look like anyway and pay attention!) it also tends to only be at certain times of the year when its more obvious (in my own experience). possibly also affected with feed but depends on the whole diet. (i.e if hes out 24/7 then grass is likely to be the problem and any other dietry changes would have little effect).
if hes verging on IR then fat pads above eyes and they kind of get a 'full' look - mine looks a bit drugged! he also fills under his throat/chin but not sure how closely that is related to IR. Also may get a fat sheath. holds weight easily.
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Post by mags on Dec 29, 2007 19:28:27 GMT 1
The reason iv got thinking about this is that the last 2 weeks he has been out on grass thanks to my bad knee and he is suddenly foot sore again when he was doing really well.
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Post by Casper on Dec 29, 2007 19:35:04 GMT 1
Is he barefoot now Mags?
It *could* be a touch of LGL, as the grass really hasn't stopped growing this year. And several people have had their horses get laminitis over the last few weeks. The weather doesn't help either.
Is he on Mag Ox? That could be worth a try too.
Also are his digital pulses raised?
The other alternative is whether he has bruised one of his feet when the ground was frozen perhaps?
If you do suspect LGL then I would definitely get the vet out for painkillers etc.
Poor Dan, hope he is better soon whatever the cause is.
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