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Post by Gail&Merlin on Jun 28, 2008 22:36:15 GMT 1
Making a point about there being needy horses in this country, that is true. However you can also argue that there are needy horses in Tunisia, Greece, Africa, Spain etc, I could go on. We cannot save them all however if someone chooses to support a horse from france so be it. Each to their own, and good for them I say Fair point, but alot of owners of horses in far countries, don't have the means or education to look after the horses, but depend on them for survival, and yes each to their own, support what you will, if you can afford it, im sorry but megnum doesnt have the means to do this and it would fall on the adults around her to provide the possible care needed..and to be honest i would love to help them all, but cannot afford it, having said that, if a needy case landed on my doorstep yes i would help, but i wouldnt go looking for one, knowing i cant afford it. I Also hate being made to feel guilty by myself for being negative on this thread. These threads should be in the charity section, where if people want then they can go and seek out who to help if they want.
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Post by jackiedo on Jun 29, 2008 7:18:29 GMT 1
These threads were taken off this section of the board in the light of public protection. With respect ths should at the very least be moved to the appropriate "french Rescues" section
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Post by rach22uk on Jun 29, 2008 9:15:19 GMT 1
Sorry Megan have to agree this is in the wrong area and the replies you're getting are the exact reason the personal charities and missions section was set up.
As much as im sure we can all understand you wanting to help with a rescue there are some who feel its either counterproductive or that the horses in the UK should be helped first etc.
If you can get the funds together then i do hope it all goes well xxxx
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Post by Cheryl Walmsley on Jun 29, 2008 10:37:57 GMT 1
I wasn't going to post because it's going to be a little sore, but I just wanted to ask why this particular horse megnum, and also, how much of the £950 do you have already?
de80, she's not "this person" she's been a member on here for ages and everyone knows she's a kid, i know it was asked how old she was previous to your post but your post seems to be suggesting that she's being dishonest and I think everyone knows that won't be the case.
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Post by de80 on Jun 29, 2008 20:23:00 GMT 1
well if the horse is £500 why does she need £950. as £450 is not enough to cover the transport so something doesn't add up.
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Post by shelley2 on Jun 29, 2008 23:13:23 GMT 1
de80 have you rescued a horse from france how do you know it will cost more than £450 for transport!? dont make such harsh comments when you are not sure of the truth i speak from experience and i payed £300.00 to get my horse from france to york
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Post by shelley2 on Jun 29, 2008 23:17:02 GMT 1
ah now thats confused you all LOL, i know it says i live in essex but bailey went up north for a 3 months until we returned back to the uk.
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Post by de80 on Jun 30, 2008 9:10:05 GMT 1
no and i never will as i think there is plenty that need rescuing in this country. have you not seen the price of diesel? there is not way that that will cover transport if it does i'll eat my hat. plus that pony will need passport etc to be bought over more money. if megan want to rescue a pony i think she should go to one of sales and save her self some money. she could probably get 3 over near for that money.
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Post by shelley2 on Jun 30, 2008 20:12:49 GMT 1
get eating your hat then i hope it is tasty transport as already stated and the passport cost £17.50 as horse was micro chipped you can fill it in yourself so no need for a vet and all the animal needs to get into the country from france is a passport NOTHING ELSE and this info has come from defra.it really does not cost that much to get a horse from france into the uk
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Post by EMW-UK on Jul 1, 2008 8:47:32 GMT 1
When Cybelle the percheron came in, the first one brought over and supported and paid for from kind IHDG and other forum united funding it cost just over £600 on a shared load. All have to have a Euro passport and required vaccinations. Cybelle was brought to the UK as we had a specific home ready and waiting plus a couple of umberella homes under her should anything have not worked out plus the safety net of EMW Sanctuaries loan agreement meaning she has a home regardless at one of our sanctuary bases. The reason Cybelle came was that the home in question had been waiting for a long time for a heavy horse, they rarely come up anymore as most go straight to slaughter. EMW have only brought in this one horse although we do have many homes on the list for donkeys but the cost of purchase and transport is the stopper for us although there is a rescue in scotland who have bought donkeys and have them at their rescue..
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Post by shelley2 on Jul 1, 2008 8:59:51 GMT 1
EMW lots of transporters have indeed been telling people taking on french rescues that they have to have health checks/vaccs/vet certs its rubbish.all they need is a passport there is an agreement between fance,england,and ireland that says a horse can move between these countries and only requires a passport,we did a lot of research on this and in the end we spoke to a guy at defra called ben crisp and he put it all in writing and put his name to it because we kept being told that horses needed a vet cert! we also rung the docks and spoke to them and they even told us all thats needed is a passport.interestingly though i used a transported i sourced myself and all she asked for was his passport so i guess it depends on the transporter you use???
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Post by EMW-UK on Jul 1, 2008 10:42:54 GMT 1
it is interesting. I'll ask my good friend and international horse transporter Lynette her thoughts on this. It's a shame if that's the case that people were being duped, EMW included , by the sound of it...but then, we had never imported before, nor since, Cybelle and perhaps niaively took it was the legal requirement. A shame if that was not the case, a very big shame. I know there was a lot of controvosy over various transporters. emw.
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Post by shelley2 on Jul 1, 2008 11:21:22 GMT 1
well i can tell you it is the truth! like you say its such a shame though that people are being given false info.bailey came to uk from france on his passport alone with no probs and he was not vacc's either.i did inform equine section of this at the time but they were being led by the transporter they were using.we really thoroughly checked this out because i did not want to be getting a call from the docks which were 10hrs away saying we cant take him coz of wrong paper work
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Post by trudee on Jul 1, 2008 16:11:01 GMT 1
de80 - start eating hay - i was quoted last week exactly £450 to bring a horse over from france, all in - when i did bring a horse over in march it cost me £420 -
I do agrea that there are plenty of ponies in england that need rescuing but everyone picks their own little charity they want to support, which is how thankfully they all get support.Wether we think it is right or wrong, everyone to their own on that one. But must agrea there are several ponies sneeding homing on that site, mares in foal, donkeys, you cant save them all. And unfortunatly it does get people upset when they see the pictures and get attached to these horses week in and week out, only to try and do a last minute desperate plea for them.
BUt as for the comment about the frenchs fate being worse that the british, ask the many ponies getting round the law and going from here to ireland, and then from ireland into france and onto italy - THIS IS a much longer journey than the french trip so im afraid your comment is strictly correct.
BUt i hear this pony has now been rehomed, not sure who too ---- so good news for now..
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Post by lynette on Jul 1, 2008 17:34:49 GMT 1
I have been following this thread with interest and now thanks to EMW will answer as the the legal requirements to bring a horse to England and remember as International Transporters we do this all the time.
For a horse to come from France the only legal requirement is a passport. Health Papers,vaccinations or vet Certificates are NOT a legal requirement under the Tripartate Agreement between France, England and Northern Ireland.
Several people have been duped into paying for the Health Papers. Can any of you who had a rescued horse say it came with and were given 5 sheets of A4 with a French Ministry Stamp on it. Also if these papers were issued the English Ministry would have been informed by the French and an inspection carried out within 24 hours of the horse being delivered. I'm sorry to say that you were misled by the transporter involved at the time who pocketed the money.
Also several have been brought in on illegal passports. All French equines should have a passport/papers issued by the Haras National who do not charge for this service. It is also a legal requirement that all horses in France should be micro-chipped and again the Haras will do this.
The scam was that passports were applied for and issued in this Country, taken out to France and the ponies travelled back on them. Each passport has a 16 digit number and the first three numbers show the Country of Origin 826 is for England. France has a different number
As to the meat route out through Ireland. The Stranraer route is used as there again under the Tri-partate agreement, there is no requirement for any further paperwork apart from the passport. If say the horses went out through Hoywell to Dublin then an Export Licence would have to be applied for as they are going from England to Southern Ireland. Using the Stranraer route means the horses are not papered for export until they are already in Southern Ireland.
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