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Post by heather on Jun 25, 2007 8:08:52 GMT 1
Hi Wildrover,
For me the basics, are absolute, and why I have just written a new book for complete beginners, who are the most important level of all, and generally, the worst taught!
Heather
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Post by kofihorse on Jun 25, 2007 9:33:37 GMT 1
The "standing up trot" thing that Derek is talking about is, along with "the French country method" (love the name,LOL) things that I learned how to do at endurance rides LOL You learn the "standing up" trot when you have long spells of trotting on flat ground and the "French" method when you're trying to get in on time and realise that to do so, you'll have to trot downhill and/or over bumpy terrain. And you want to lessen the chances of taking a header over your horse's nose LOL I'm a great believer in learning by doing. I know it takes much longer but I feel that if you spend the time, once you feel you can control your mount, just simply riding out, then you'll have the joy of finding out for yourself what works. (Hopefully, there would be an enlightened instructor hovering the background for when you get stuck) When I tried to teach the young lad to trot, I didn't say "up,down", I tried to call out the "one,two" rythm for him. We had also tried standing on the balls of our feet on a step, with soft joints and doing a very subdued version of the "pelvic thrust" from The Rocky Horror Show. That was probably our downfall as I don't think we ever stopped giggling after that Sue, I can't find your previous thread on walk - can you remember what it was called?
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Post by suewhitmore on Jun 25, 2007 10:41:03 GMT 1
When I tried to teach the young lad to trot, I didn't say "up,down", I tried to call out the "one,two" rythm for him. We had also tried standing on the balls of our feet on a step, with soft joints and doing a very subdued version of the "pelvic thrust" from The Rocky Horror Show. .... Sue, I can't find your previous thread on walk - can you remember what it was called? ihdg.proboards91.com/index.cgi?board=talk2&action=display&thread=1179773482&page=1Just realised, wasn't my thread anyway, it was Arabheaven's! I think your problem with your pupil is that you were teaching by thinking and not by doing. Your description is of teaching a straight movement, rather than helping him feel the one-two side to side movement of the horse's pelvis, and getting him to use this movement to propel his seat from the saddle. Using your feet and/or pelvis thrusts to get the movement is getting it back to front.
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Post by kofihorse on Jun 26, 2007 7:28:48 GMT 1
Thanks for the link to the thread, Sue - it is another excellent one for me, I have learned a lot and wish I could find a local instructor who teaches the way you do.
PS Quote - "I think your problem with your pupil is that you were teaching by thinking and not by doing. Your description is of teaching a straight movement, rather than helping him feel the one-two side to side movement of the horse's pelvis, and getting him to use this movement to propel his seat from the saddle. Using your feet and/or pelvis thrusts to get the movement is getting it back to front."
Yes, exactly, Sue - that when I realised how difficult it is to describe movement and action in words! We weren't trying to do anything with our feet BTW we were just trying to simulate balance, feel the hinge effect of the ankle, knee and hip and see how the lower body could be moved in different directions. (I was hoping that inspiration might strike me as we did it!)
Do you find any difference between teaching people who are couch potatoes and those who, eg, have played other sports or who do aerobics etc? In terms of how easy/difficult they find it to connect with how their body feels?
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Post by suewhitmore on Jun 26, 2007 8:52:17 GMT 1
Very quick reply (I'm late for work already...)- yes there is a huge difference, but it is not so much in being able to feel, but in their ability to control their bodies and use the feel. They can all get it. I am pretty sympathetic to couch potatoes, having struggled with my weight all my life, and getting huge after my children. I love teaching athletes tho', it is so *easy*!
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Post by heather on Jun 26, 2007 9:22:43 GMT 1
I know what you mean about struggling with weight Sue. I have battled with mine since my early twenties, even as active as I am. I have only a bit of fruit for breakfast and lunch, and a small evening meal, rarely any dessert despite being a self confessed chocaholic with a sweet tooth generally, and a couple of glasses of wine. Now without the wine, I could probably have breakfast or lunch...................... ;D
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Post by suewhitmore on Jun 26, 2007 13:48:00 GMT 1
You probably need to eat more, but different things. I just need to stop being a pig. ;D
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Post by Zuzan on Jul 5, 2007 21:42:51 GMT 1
uppping as another poster was asking about rising
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Post by suewhitmore on Sept 14, 2007 10:45:02 GMT 1
More stuff for before you canter - thanks admin!
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Post by Persianhorse on Sept 15, 2007 2:28:32 GMT 1
Hi: The same rules and exercise we do for WALK we do for TROT.
Unfortunately I have not read all the posts in this thread I hadn't the time but I do my best to read them all.
What we do for Improving WALK:
1- Long Line Reining on Walk Only and Trot Only. 2- The outside Line must be touching the Hinds just above the Hock's and I do long lining with rider (Dummy sometimes if needed actual rider it depends on the Horse under training) on and off 3- Step to the back is crucial. 4- Picking Up hand while the rider is on the Horse and stretch it forward (this is a crucial action and must be done by some one who knows his/her job well in another words a well TRAINER). 5- While long lining after 5 steps forward give the Horse a long PAUSE then 5 steps forward (what I mean is giving the Horse pause in walk). 6- While the rider On Pausing is crucial after each steps of WALK. 7- If we want to improve our Horse in Walk , Trot or any other kind speed we must only concentrate on Walk and Trot ONLY. 8- Each day 15 to 20 minuets depends on the fitness of the Horse Walking in the WATER where the level of the water is touching the Horses chest the gap between the hands must be covered in water very much important.
WALK / STOP / PAUSE / STEP BACK / PAUSE / WALK / STOP / PAUSE / STEP BACK / STOP / PAUSE and on.
WALK to TROT / STOP / PAUSE / STEP BACK / STOP / PAUSE / WALK to TROT / and on .
We do not run our Horses in canter or in any other kind of speed at all we put in our minds that our Horse could not go over that speed limit just like in High ways that you have a speed limit and this is LAW for us and we don't give that Horse which we are training to any other rider to ride .
Always be careful, PH.
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Post by suewhitmore on Sept 15, 2007 15:00:28 GMT 1
Persion horse, thank you so much for your contribution, I would just like to say that these threads are only concerned with rider training, not horse training.
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Post by Persianhorse on Sept 17, 2007 2:20:06 GMT 1
Dear Sue: I am totally misunderstood and I am terribly sorry.
Take care, PH.
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Post by rj on Sept 18, 2007 14:19:54 GMT 1
So I should think PH - I expect Sue will send you straight to the naughty corner!!
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Post by suewhitmore on Sept 18, 2007 22:12:31 GMT 1
rj, I did no such thing, I told him no apologies were necessary!
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