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Post by canadiantrotter on Jun 24, 2007 20:54:49 GMT 1
Hi CT, Ah, good point. Sue might not be upset at all and I might be imagining that. P'raps we'd better wait and see what she says! Oh the joys of discussion groups, where we only get access to 7% of the normal human communication signals... Looking forward to us all being (or continuing to be!) friends again... ;D Derek Lol.. Derek, I took the time to go back and re-read the thread and I doubt very much that Sue is upset.. she doesn't seem to be the type to offend easily or over little things. What I did realise was that Sue was attempting to explain and instruct in an easy and un-intimidating way, (which she she did admirably), to show novices that the trot is attainable without making it sound scary or difficult. Then I came on with horse manes and butts flying, (which can be scary) and you came on with an excellent analogy, (which most likely took longer to type than it would to actually teach). In doing so we both shot Sue in the foot and most likely made her intentions and instructions look less easily attainable to a novice, which they aren't. Can I sit at the front again Ms. Whitmore? I promise to be quiet and I have an apple for you! ;D
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Post by suewhitmore on Jun 24, 2007 21:06:11 GMT 1
I prefer carrots ;D
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Post by suewhitmore on Jun 24, 2007 21:10:36 GMT 1
Sue is like me, a bit plain spoken, I don't know how you could say that about me. I thought I was the QUEEN of smarm and grovel. Another delusion shattered
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Post by Derek Clark on Jun 24, 2007 21:27:19 GMT 1
Phew! ;D Though, you are a rotter for keeping us sweating so long! Derek
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Post by canadiantrotter on Jun 24, 2007 21:38:31 GMT 1
Ct sneaks in and slides into the front desk after craftily leaving a big shiny carrot on teach's desk and pockets the apple for herself foe after class. ;D
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Post by suewhitmore on Jun 24, 2007 21:39:41 GMT 1
We had to do the yard late between downpours!
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Post by canadiantrotter on Jun 24, 2007 21:40:06 GMT 1
... and will most likely be kept after class for silly typos in her last post!
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Post by Louise C on Jun 24, 2007 21:40:27 GMT 1
Ah well Sue - there's not many of us that would truly know!!! You'll regret ever having met me now!
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Post by Derek Clark on Jun 24, 2007 21:49:26 GMT 1
Sue smiled, the clouds rolled back, the sun shone...
...and all the DG'ers resumed taking the mickey out of each other.
Then they all lived happily ever after. Ahhhhhhhhhhhhh!
D ;D
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Post by suewhitmore on Jun 24, 2007 21:49:38 GMT 1
Ah well Sue - there's not many of us that would truly know!!! You'll regret ever having met me now! Here Lousie, back me up on this. Don't I have a fabulous line in grovel? And what about my ACE horse training techniques? You know, whack horse on bottom with bit of baler twine and shout "shoo" encouragingly, then scream like hell when at half a ton of snorting, thundering Freisian gallops manically back straight towards us, laughing as he comes....
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Post by Louise C on Jun 24, 2007 21:52:31 GMT 1
LOL!!! It's all true - but lovely to see such a cheeky old boy having such fun!
And yes - she does do a good grovel line!
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Post by wildrover on Jun 24, 2007 23:33:26 GMT 1
My intention in posting these threads has been to help people with really basic riding skills, the sort that can be achieved, if taught correctly, in the first very few weeks of riding, not to confound them with philosophical discussion of skills and techniques that take years to understand, never mind ride. Not sure whether Sue was upset or not .. personally I think not. What I do think though, is that she has a valid point. And the point is about keeping it simple. Most riders are casual riders usually trying to improve. There is so much to it, and so much to learn. Anyone ever remember their first driving lesson, when the geezer is going on about clutches, gears, brakes, indicatiors etc etc. Most people think "Jeeze I'll never rember all that" The trouble is the discussions often spiral off into refinement of techniques etc and then becomes an academic matter or opinion. To be able to convey the basics of the trot to the learner in a manner that he or she will master is surely a technique. Good on you for having a go anyway sue.
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Post by wildrover on Jun 24, 2007 23:36:51 GMT 1
Oh .. did not realise there was a third page to this where everybody was kissin an makin up .... point remains tho
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Post by Derek Clark on Jun 25, 2007 0:07:51 GMT 1
Hi wr,
There you are then. Nothing is "good" or"bad" in itself - no getting upset, no kissin an makin up! (even if the upset was just in our imaginations!) ;D
Fair point, though and very well made. In defence of the clever-clogs's, I did actually think that what I added was part of the basics and would help most if it was learned early on, rather than leaving the learner having to replace some unwanted habit later in life. Isn't that what most people moan about the most?
I know that I've had a fairly unconventional riding education. Having started off late in life, I learned my groundwork and basic horse handling entirely through IH and then added classical riding on top. It's not totally by accident, though. Having struggled away in another sport, having had to learn about 27 different ways of doing it before I figured out one that worked, I thought that, this time, I'd do my homework first and try to learn the effective things right from the start.
I'd just like to help everyone else have the opportunity to take "the shortcut" too. In a way this touches on the discussion we had about natural talent the other week. The difference that makes the difference in learning skills is finding out everything that the expert does, not just what they are consciously aware of doing. If we share our experiences, isn't there a better chance that the "everything" will be more apparent?
Best wishes,
Derek
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Post by wildrover on Jun 25, 2007 7:36:59 GMT 1
Derek - I'm not sure I was criticising the clever-clogs ... not intentionally anyway. I think I was pointing out I understood what sue was trying to do.
There is no doubt that everybodys experience is relevant - its packaging that experience into a means of communication that is easily understood by the novice. There is no doubt too that there is a need for such debate at all levels - as not everyone is a novice and are working beyond the basics and wish to improve.
I remember at Univiersity - one lecturer knew his subject inside out, upside down and every which way you could imagine. The unfortunate thing was he could not come down to the level of his students and so, there was a great amount of knowledge lost in translation.
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