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Post by suewhitmore on Aug 17, 2007 23:13:00 GMT 1
There you are K, 40 spectator points and 5 bonus for encouragement and 1 for having a spotty pony in your sig.
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Post by kpick on Aug 17, 2007 23:26:29 GMT 1
haha, well thank you sue, I shall tell Inky tomorrow hes scoring me points because hes different... he likes thinking hes good.
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Post by sarahfox on Aug 17, 2007 23:31:34 GMT 1
rider must be able to sit on a horse and stay on in canter. canter half a 20m circle and change the rein across the diagnol,on the centre line pull horses head towards opposite direction,spur the horse with the new inside leg on the girth and flip the outside leg back in grotesque fashion to spur way behind the girth,and hey presto! Is that right?!
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Post by suewhitmore on Aug 17, 2007 23:44:29 GMT 1
Sarah, minus 3 for sarcasm, however warranted, plus three for almost seeing the movements in the video, so you're on zero.
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Post by sarahfox on Aug 17, 2007 23:47:48 GMT 1
aw shucks! back to the drawing board...!
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Post by suewhitmore on Aug 17, 2007 23:55:48 GMT 1
You're doing better than Rosie ;D
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Post by suewhitmore on Aug 18, 2007 2:36:55 GMT 1
Leaderboard - End of Day 1, Friday 17th August 2007
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kofihorse
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Post by kofihorse on Aug 18, 2007 8:44:50 GMT 1
Having been applauded for a great flying change once when I hadn't a clue as Kofi did it all by himself, I have a cheek answering but here goes:
while cantering diagonally across the school, as you get to the half way point,change your focus to the direction you want to go in, half halt, open inside hand, keep inside leg on girth and use outside leg just behind girth?
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Post by ark on Aug 18, 2007 9:11:00 GMT 1
He he, what fun! I know who I'd want to practice with so far. But am I mistaken or are there not very many actual trainers answering?? (Apologies if you are and I didn't know - I'm new here.) Come on guys - put your money where your mouths are As for me - haven't got a clue, never done one. Well not intentionally anyway. I'm too busy perfecting motorbiking round the corners. Abi
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Post by ark on Aug 18, 2007 9:13:11 GMT 1
Do I get some points...... do I, do I?
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Post by jennyb on Aug 18, 2007 10:11:30 GMT 1
When's the deadline for answers? I want to put some thought into this one, but I've got a shed load of work to do today and a TREC comp tomorrow, so am short of time!
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Post by Rosie J on Aug 18, 2007 10:12:53 GMT 1
Oh goodness - we cant have an Ra right at the bottom!! Let me have a go at redeeming myself (plus I think I should have a few point for 'speaking my mind' above?!)
Rider should be able to counter canter, and to canter on a named leg on a straight line, and to execute beautiful canter-walk-canter transitions, have an independent seat and a good awareness of what his/her hands and legs and seat bones are ding at all times.
Set up - work through some excersises in trot on changing the bend, could be as simple as a well executed serpentine or you could work through some lateral movements (Only allowed one sentance for this so not going into too much detail -) focus on the trnasitions to/from canter and work on counter canter and cantering on a named leg, if the rider needed real clarity I might work on canter-walk-canter with a lead change, at X on a figure of eight. Then explain the aids for the flying change to the student. You need to get a really good, bouncy canter, and as you go past X, simply change your position o the opposite canter lead, (inside hip forward to allow room for inside hind to come through, which will automatically encourage inside leg slightly further forward than outside leg. At the same time take a slight feel with the new inside rein to indicate tothe horse to change bend. I would encourage the rider to go away and have a play at this, correcting any obvious mistakes that come up (e.g. leaning and throwing body weight!) and troubleshooting. When the rider has begiun to get a feel for what the tiny subtle things that work better or work worse, I would definately discuss timing and subtletly. If canter is 3 beat, I feel the cue to think of asking for the change is on beat 2 - I guess Im not allowed to explain why/how I came to that conclusion now....
see I am trying to be good really? Extra points for reformed character??
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Post by Rosie J on Aug 18, 2007 10:21:47 GMT 1
should add- Im not really a dressage trainer either (yet!) I do teach flatwork/dressage regularly but not often up to this level, I have only ever taught two people to do flying changes, and one of those was by accident really, and the other was my groom so it doesnt count!! but I believe in active learning so I thought I'd have a go anyway.
(i.e. please dont be too mean if I got it wrong!)
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Post by suewhitmore on Aug 18, 2007 10:54:32 GMT 1
Kofi, Why not have a go? It's a learning exercise and it's a huge advantage to have had the "feel" of what you are trying to explain. So 10 points for brevity and 5 bonus for attitude!
Abi, 40 spectator points and 5 for "good question". There are some responses here that sound as if they come from trainers, but not from people who often refer to themselves as trainers. I suppose a "trainer" has more to lose if they feel they may get it "wrong", but it's not the intention to show people up.
The intention is to work through a single training exercise and see if we can draw the strands together into concensus - that does not necessarily mean a *single* way of doing it. That's why I just wanted people to say what they think without modifying comments from everyone else - every idea is of value. I think it is hugely beneficial to apply a little intellectual rigour to methods.
Rosie, 5 brevity and 4 for format. I can't possibly comment on the content of your post at this point! Patience is a virtue in horse training, and will pay dividends on this thread too! The time for discussion is Monday on, see my reply to Jenny B, below.
Jenny, I'm closing this off for contribution tomorrow night, so if you haven't got time, don't worry. What I'm going to do from Monday on is consider each of the four areas one at a time, horse set up, rider pre-requisites, aids and explanation. I'll summarise all the contributions, where made, add my two pennoth, and then open it for contribution, so hopefully Heather and Trudi will chip in then, as I know they do this level of work on an almost daily basis. So it would be fine if you joined in then.
The brevity thing is really about getting the point over when you have a rider champing at the bit waiting to do something - do you really need to deliver a lecture? It's my own worst failing when teaching!
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Post by sarahfox on Aug 18, 2007 11:23:28 GMT 1
oh! just realised the bit I forgot! rider must throw body to new inside rein in exaggerated fashion,whilst looking down and leaning over. ( rosie,get back in the naughty corner!)
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