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Post by rhillahorse on Dec 30, 2007 19:11:44 GMT 1
Zohar and I looked into the cost of getting an RA out between us and the cost was prohibitive. Also, people thinking you MUST do join up as a starting point. (Have to say though, no-one on here thinks that, it's more people who've been to a demo, but not really looked into IH properly.)
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Post by Deleted on Dec 30, 2007 19:13:02 GMT 1
Neither is the help, I have real doubts mentioning an RA to anyone I know who has problems with their horse as I don't have the same faith that they are doing anything good...without just making a lot of money out of someone's inexperience. I'm trying really, really hard to find a polite way of questionning this statement but I'm failing miserably. Sorry Maggot, you knew someone would disagree with you when you wrote this, didn't you, and you won't be surprised it's me. This is just rubbish. The RAs aren't making piles of money and to suggest they are and at an owner's expense is a) rot and b) rude. You may well not meet people who know of Monty and I would agree that not enough people know of Kelly, but then that all depends on who you talk to and how you ask your questions, doesn't it? Sorry to cause an argument, Sarah, but I can't let that go without comment.
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Post by gem on Dec 30, 2007 19:16:11 GMT 1
There are no ras in my area so its very hard to get any assistance for a cost effective amount and there are no kelly demos inthe midlands!!
The other thing is IH doesnt market well, I too have friends who livery at rodbaston who had no idea monty was there or who he was
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Post by kpick on Dec 30, 2007 19:18:33 GMT 1
I actually DO think its your fault, Sarah! All your fault, your fault your fault! Only joking!
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Post by janetgeorge on Dec 30, 2007 19:21:51 GMT 1
I think the evangelical types who sprout 'IG good - everything else bad' get up my wick! But I also think that there is some confusion about what IH actually IS - lots of people think it's terribly new and terribly different - but - IMHO - having read Kelly's books and read a lot of threads on this DG - there is very little difference at all between IH and plain old GOOD horsemanship.
I found virtually NOTHING in Kelly's books that I didn't agree with (and even where I disagreed, it was only a very partial disagreement - in that there are sometimes quicker and easier ways of getting the same result if you have the exeprience and the confidence) - I was a bit disappointed actually that there were no earth-shattering new discoveries in the books! (Also disappointed that I hadn't had the books 40-50 years ago - would have saved a lot of mistakes along my learning path!) And that is why the evangelical types p*** me off so much - IH is great for novices - and it's great for people who've had bad - or no - instruction in common sense, sympathetic horse handling - but it's not rocket science!
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Post by geeup on Dec 30, 2007 19:23:19 GMT 1
Finn you put that beautifully. I know people who have been to Monty demos who don't practise anything IH, they like the show but it dosn't apply to them, but neither do they a problem but a very nice pony! IH is philosophy and is about listening to the horse not ruling it. Very competitiative people often want to rule animals and the more people compete and are successful the more questions will be asked.
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Post by sarahfox on Dec 30, 2007 19:28:37 GMT 1
Norty LizP!! Mind you maggot is still up the norty tree from the other thread and after making provocative remarks like that I dare say wont be down for a few years!lol! As you all know arguments arent allowed on my threads ( teehee!!) so I think everybody who has had a good experience with an RA and therefore wants to argue with maggot should go and rave about it on the good thread. I completely agree with Janet actually,although Im not sure that is all bad things about IH???!
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Post by arabheaven on Dec 30, 2007 19:37:49 GMT 1
at first i thought IH was expensive, but having had SarahW out - I can honestly say she is worth her weight in gold. Yes it does look expensive - but when you take into account the one on one you are getting, the time the RA is spending with you (say most average people earn £40-50 a day?) the RA can't do any other work when he/she is with you.
i have a few issues with the dually - i think its a great concept but havent found it works well for leading/loading (one rein on one side) my arabs as it slips and rubs a bit too much and also isnt quick enough to release the pressure, but it works FAB for long lining.
thats about it really!! i don't hasten to mention kelly marks or monty roberts when I talk horses to horsey or non-horsey people, similarly I don't hasten to recommend Sarah or an RA to any friend having trouble.
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Post by arabheaven on Dec 30, 2007 19:42:29 GMT 1
ooh one more thing - I know groundwork is great for riding, and I know Nicole runs riding clinics, but one thing that I have struggled with when trying to 'sell' IH to a parelli minded person was the lack of riding in IH whereas parelli apparently you can teach everything from the ground with that stick of theirs.. I gave up there trying to reason with her lol
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Post by jo on Dec 30, 2007 20:00:28 GMT 1
well Liz P it won't be the first time we agree that we disagree...
I just know that if I could charge for every bit of knowledge I have scraped together through good old fashioned HORSEMANSHIP (not IH, not PNH etc etc) I would be extremely rich by now! You an RA yet Liz?
I know SF, I'm going up, I'm going...
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Post by aliceinwonderland on Dec 30, 2007 20:06:58 GMT 1
Oi Maggot!
You're out of you're tree, get back up it!!!
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Post by Gail&Merlin on Dec 30, 2007 20:12:42 GMT 1
Bad points that i can think of, are location of courses, and that people confuse IH with natural horsemanship, i dont think ive any bad things to say about the philosophy of IH, i agree alot is commonsense and good old fashion horse sense.
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Post by indibindi on Dec 30, 2007 20:14:12 GMT 1
Here's one - its a LOT of reading. I have all the books but I've not read one yet... but I would sit and watch a dvd. I kind of associate Kelly with one thing on IH and Monty with another (problem horses), which is okay - but I'm not sure thats how they want me to see it....
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Post by gingitsu on Dec 30, 2007 20:18:00 GMT 1
i have to say that i do agree with most points that everyone has made,i do feel quite lucky being in surrey that im based in quite a good area for demos etc and i can never fail to say how pleased i am finding Zoe RA on here, i havent spoken to her in aaaaages yet i kno that if i pick up the phone faintly shouting for help whilst being tap danced on by a horse-she'd be there i would absolutely LOVE to do a course-but there is just no way i could afford it. but i can see the pricing being justified, its just i work in retail and i'd struggle coughing up that amount plus then paying for sonky to have full livery for a while
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Post by Catrin on Dec 30, 2007 20:28:25 GMT 1
Only bad thing for me is not enough RAs.
I have lots of people who contact me to solve a problem with their horse when what they need is an RA. A lot of times I can put them in touch with one, but if they are in some areas, I have to get them to phone Sylvia Arnold or the IH office and hope they can help.
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