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Post by kya on Dec 28, 2007 10:40:30 GMT 1
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Post by cubic on Dec 28, 2007 10:53:33 GMT 1
I've used it in emergencies once or twice where I've absolutely not been able to stop - they can be useful. However it looks extremely uncomfortable for the horse. Could it cause muscle/spinal damage?
For most situations you don't need the severity of a one rein stop, when a tweak on the curb rein of a double (for example) would do the same job IMO.
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Post by Casper on Dec 28, 2007 11:15:59 GMT 1
Thanks for posting this again Kanga. It is IMHO a great tool to have in the ki tbag "just in case". I hope to never have to use it, but feel much better knowing about it than not, that's for sure xx
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Post by sarahfox on Dec 28, 2007 12:31:46 GMT 1
the point of it is that it is far kinder than hauling on the reins,with a snaffle let alone a gag or suchlike! And if it is taught correctly,ie that in a calm situation a soft unilateral lift gets the horse to swing his head to your knee then no,its not remotely harsh.
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Post by fin on Dec 28, 2007 12:51:44 GMT 1
Lol, so that's what a one rein stop looks like! Rohan has just commented that actually it's exactly how you stop a scarpering small pone when she's wearing a dually
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Post by cubic on Dec 28, 2007 15:17:48 GMT 1
And if it is taught correctly,ie that in a calm situation a soft unilateral lift gets the horse to swing his head to your knee then no,its not remotely harsh. In the video it doesn't look particularly calm. If you swing your head quickly from a neutral position to one where your ear is near your shoulder (for me anyway) it's actually quite uncomfortable - and I'm controlling it!
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Post by nuala on Dec 28, 2007 15:23:15 GMT 1
To me it looks like the standard emergency brakes, for use where absoloutely necessary as it is certainly not comfortable. I was taught it at RS, to stop a very fast horse.(well, to a little kid it seemed it at the time). It is similar to turning a circle but I would tend to just turn a circle.
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Post by cubic on Dec 28, 2007 16:20:37 GMT 1
I realise it's extremely useful in an emergency, but ideally in my opinion it's better to avert that emergency before it happens with a milder method (eg extra brakes on a bit) where possible.
I have used this method when absolutely needed, but don't like using it if I can avoid it.
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Post by sarahfox on Dec 28, 2007 16:28:37 GMT 1
I agree that the way it is used in the vid isnt the softest,but the vid was just to give the point! extra brakes on a bit are most certainly not milder than this method when done correctly,my horse takes a sweet from my hand by my knee every time I mount as it is useful to teach them to stand still and I can assure you that when taught in such a manner there is no discomfort,quite the opposite in fact,it loosens up their neck and helps to keep it supple. What you are thinking of sounds more to me like just grabbing the rein and pulling,which is not how it works,even in an emergency if taught correctly first.
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Post by sarahfox on Dec 28, 2007 16:31:09 GMT 1
MTA, the whole principle behind the one rein stop is that it works by disengaging the hindquarter,the principle behind stronger bits is that they work by causing pain or discomfort...
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Post by cubic on Dec 28, 2007 16:59:54 GMT 1
Just as bits can be used correctly and incorrectly, so can the one rein stop - I think we agree there. However when you do a carrot stretch, the horse moves its head slowly, whereas in the one rein stop the horse's head moves very suddenly, and that's what concerns me.
The action of any bit, including a snaffle, causes pressure in one or more areas, which can become pain if used incorrectly - similar to many of the bitless bridles too. The majority of bits don't cause pain if there isn't someone pulling harshly on the reins. A bit causing pressure on one part of the head or mouth may work incredibly well for one horse, and not at all for another - if you have to pull hard on the reins and inflict pain there's something wrong with what you're doing.
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Post by Casper on Dec 28, 2007 17:25:09 GMT 1
Cubic, you mention you've used it once or twice for emergencies. I've never used it. If it is a life or death situation and you absolutely 100% need to stop, then what is the problem? Rather do a one rein stop than have a dead horse and rider. But still hoping to never have to use it in the first place...
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Post by laura on Dec 28, 2007 17:28:24 GMT 1
"the one rein stop" ...... or rather flexing the neck round and disengaging the hind legs is something that something that done correctly is taught like everything else , slowly and in stages. I should not be something that is read about or seen in a video and stored in riders head "for emergency use only" ..... and this is about the only time it should be applied strongly ..... when safety is paramount. We practice these almost every time we ride ........ part of the preparation to ride is a "give" of her head to both sides ...... if its not soft than we have to think why and try and sort it ...... because I do not have her brain so she will not listen. Its a simple then then to ask for the head, disengage the hindquarters... so then when the s*** does hit the fan and the aid does need to be stronger it gets more reliable stopping results than a two handed stop. I saw two driven horses bolt round an arena today and two reins stopped neither ..... the bigger one stopped when a man grabbed ONE rein ( well the man was dragged by the rein for several yards ), I didn't see the little one caught as I was assisting with the big one. my horse takes a sweet from my hand by my knee every time I mount as it is useful to teach them to stand still and I can assure you that when taught in such a manner there is no discomfort,quite the opposite in fact,it loosens up their neck and helps to keep it supple . kinda like this sarah ..... and Taz has a short thick neck
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Post by cubic on Dec 28, 2007 17:36:13 GMT 1
Cubic, you mention you've used it once or twice for emergencies. I've never used it. If it is a life or death situation and you absolutely 100% need to stop, then what is the problem? Rather do a one rein stop than have a dead horse and rider. But still hoping to never have to use it in the first place... Sorry for not making my point more clearly. But I feel that if you have good control (though a combination of training and correct bitting or bitless) you are less likely to need the one rein stop as you'll have controlled the situation before you need to use it. Ofcourse if you need to use it for safety, then you need to use it - I have no problem with that.
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Post by Casper on Dec 28, 2007 17:39:05 GMT 1
No need to apologise Cubic - it is clearly me getting the wrong end of the stick! I couldn't agree with you more about working on control in the first place, way before you would ever be in this kind of situation ideally.
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