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Post by circusdancer on Mar 30, 2008 0:31:27 GMT 1
Whoah they're all here now! Itching for a fight. I don't think anyone can deny that huge mistakes have been made with this appeal fund. I've already acknowledged my naivety in diving head first into it without establishing what would happen in the event that it wasn't needed. If this feels like a personal attack on the fund holder, I'm very sorry. It wasn't meant to be but it is turning into a palava now and had I had my email answered several weeks ago, maybe I wouldn't feel so aggrieved!
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Post by eileen on Mar 30, 2008 0:32:51 GMT 1
I dont think anyone is asking for the money to be "sat in a pot" till eternity mymenagerie! If money has been collected for a particular cause and then that money isnt needed perhaps it would have been nice to be consulted as to where it is then going to go? Seems to me that decisions have already been made by some of the contributors and im sure you can understand that we dont all think the same and are entitled to an opinion as to where it will end up? It may also have been polite for the total amount raised to have been posted on here without having to ask? I know that EMW (like many other charities) do a stirling job, the VHS for example, the ilph, the Brooke to name but a few, that doesnt mean the money should automatically go to any of them really does it? From little acorns Great Oaks grow and Magnum has already made a really good suggestion that could maybe start something that would put the money to good use long term? I really hope that the comment made about people sitting behind their desks tapping at the keys isnt directed at CD? She may not like me to say this but she has raised tens of thousands of pounds for animal charities over the years, she has done many things to help animals over and above what many many people would do and she is still doing that. Please find a way to resolve this issue with "principals before personalities" We were all very shocked at what happened to Maggie lets do something in her memory eh? eileen x
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Post by madmare1 on Mar 30, 2008 0:48:08 GMT 1
I didn't donate, only because I wasn't aware of the fund at the time....but I feel that I should say something here.
I really hope that Davina doesn't read this thread...she would be quite upset at the amount of vitriol being directed at Circusdancer for one, and two, to think that this subject has split the board. I thought that this cause would be one close to all of us....no one wants to see these awful crimes go unpunished, and Maggie's case, being close to home, as it were, should have united the board in helping to change things in this country regarding these attacks, but obviously not.
The concept of a reward, as Geordie Horse says, is basically a bribe for information.
Why can't we all agree to just use the fund for beginning the fight to change the law....after all, this is going to require a huge effort....and a united front.
We need to stand united....not be divided, and spit useless accusations, bad feeling, and nastiness at each other....
EMW is a very worthwhile cause, and I'm sure if all agree, we could donate a proportion of the money to EMW.
This is just my personal opinion..feel free to throw the cabbages at me later!!!!! :-)
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Post by EMW-UK on Mar 30, 2008 8:33:34 GMT 1
FAO Moderators etc. Personally, not speaking for EMW,I think that the fund should be left for Davina to decide what to do with it. I DID donate personally, not much but a little that I hoped would help with bringing the accused to justice, which it has done. Where it went afterwards if not used was not something I spent a lot of time thinking about. I would say, on a legal footing, that the monies raised by PUBLIC appeal, and no disresepct to the IHDG-ers, but it was an appeal on many and varied forum boards, that it is right it's paid to Davina, then it can be moved to a new holding or disposed of as she sees fit. Obviously there are many and varied ideas. Now speaking for EMW. If anyone is not happy with donating to EMW Sanctuaries UK then that is your personal choice. As you rightly say there are many and varied charities out there and everyone has their personal favourites, but as a small charity EMW Sanctuaries UK value each and every donation and are not in a financial position to turn down donations if offered. As yet this fund has not been officially offered to us. For this thread, based on such terrible atrocity and utter sadness, to have deteriorated into a nasty slanging match is something that EMW really does not want to be involved in. The suggestion, and it was just that, a suggestion, the fund came to EMW was a nice gesture but not one EMW was instrumental in orchestrating in any way at all.There fore in the interests of Davina and in keeping the memory of Maggie in the right way I would ask that this sorted off forum boards by e-mails and PM's EMW will continue to work in auctions, fairs and markets and intake horses and ponies, in need of places of safety, to our sanctuaries. MODERATORS Please close this thread.
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Post by MAGNUM on Mar 30, 2008 8:45:01 GMT 1
Simple answer to this situation i think. put a cheque in the post to Davina and let her decide. Davina is the only victimin in this case,in 12 days it will be a year that her beloved maggie was p.t.s., we all need closure MAGNUM
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Post by gypsycob on Mar 30, 2008 9:22:27 GMT 1
Well I did what was asked of us originally and I PMed staffsmum - I honestly cannot remember if I donated - I suffered a financial blow last year but I know that if I could have afforded even a small amount I would have given.
I am not upset that the list of doners is incomplete - it must be a comlete nightmare trying to organise such a thing on the internet - and I am grateful that someone (JG) was happy to do this in her own time - a thankless task it seems!
I agree that Davina would be upset if/when she see's this and I would like to take this opportunty to tell her that herself and Maggie are rarely from my thoughts - If I was able to give then I did so because I was so touched by the story and hoped to bring some justice for Davina and Maggie - that has been done which is BRILLIANT - that alone was worth any/all donations.
I feel that there are still legal battles to come and maybe the money could be used for that.
Like wise I would be happy if Davina wanted to put it towards some kind of memorial.
I would also be happy for it to go to a charity.
As far as I am concerned any money that I may have given I gave because i could afford to and because I wanted to - so long as this money is spent thoughtfully then I have no further concerns.
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Post by Cheryl Walmsley on Mar 30, 2008 10:28:22 GMT 1
I think that is excellently put GC :-)
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Post by indibindi on Mar 30, 2008 10:57:06 GMT 1
I suspect the way to deal with this is to set a deadline for contributers to come forward and offer the following options:
Their money returned (they would need to provide proof of how much they sent and that it had left their accounts) Their money to be donated on to a further charity Their money to be placed in a fund to support the tracing of the perpetrators in any further attacks like this one (which should be placed in a separate high interest account with two trustees)
Anyone who does not respond before that date - their money automatically goes to the Fighting fund (if enough people have already asked for it to go in there) or as a default it gets donated to the charity.
For what its worth I think EMW is a good choice - but its not a decision that can be just @made@ - it has to go through a fair process where people are given the choice.
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Post by MAGNUM on Mar 30, 2008 11:10:57 GMT 1
Can i suggest that we have a poll!!!!! Put it to the vote,its democratic and would then end this.
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Post by indibindi on Mar 30, 2008 11:13:07 GMT 1
I think it has to be done in a legal process Magnum - to protect the person holding the funds at the moment.
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Post by MAGNUM on Mar 30, 2008 11:14:21 GMT 1
Simple answer to this situation i think. put a cheque in the post to Davina and let her decide. Davina is the only victimin in this case,in 12 days it will be a year that her beloved maggie was p.t.s., we all need closure MAGNUM
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Post by dianne on Mar 30, 2008 11:38:55 GMT 1
Just a suggestion
Maybe Davina would like another horse, and the money could go towards that?
Whenever we've had collections for people on EE, if there has been surplus money the person nearest the cause (in this case Davina) has been given the free choice of where it should go.
This has worked fine and there has never been an argument. I'll feel certain that everyone would respect Davina's choice.
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Post by annalee on Mar 30, 2008 14:51:04 GMT 1
Money is the root of all evil and I'm sorry to say, it is prooving itself here.
For God's sake!!!! Stop arguing and put it to a vote!!
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Post by MAGNUM on Mar 30, 2008 15:07:22 GMT 1
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Post by annalee on Mar 30, 2008 15:20:37 GMT 1
Too right MAGNUM!!
Poor Davina, is trying to put her life back together and the very people who have supported her thro this forum are arguing about money.......................terrible
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