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Post by chanellie on Mar 29, 2008 16:02:06 GMT 1
Someone asked how much money is involved ( tried to quote but failed)
The total raised is aprox £700
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Post by circusdancer on Mar 29, 2008 21:38:43 GMT 1
There are a couple of reasons why I have had concerns over this.
One is why there seems to be some urgency to dispose of the money. If we are all assured it is in safe hands, why can’t it just sit where it is until it’s called upon for another cause or even be transferred to someone willing to hold it until then. Let’s face it, there will be more cases needing support and JoRox is one such awful case and, as has been pointed out earlier in the thread, she would like to be in a position to offer a financial incentive to find her pregnant mare’s attackers.
I really don’t understand why the fund shouldn’t be used for it’s original intention - to assist in bringing people to book for their atrocious attacks on horses?
Secondly, I became aware that the intention was to donate it to EMW without there having been any consultation on here. I don’t know why JG is no longer around either, but I’m sure something could have been communicated via one of the Saddle Up members who post on here as well. It was the decision making process going on behind the scenes that troubled me.
When I made my small donation, it was with the intention that Davina Bowyer had some support to find the people who did what they did. It didn’t enter my head that it may not ultimately be needed in Maggie’s case, otherwise I would have stated that I’d like it held over for another case. If I’d wanted to make a donation to a charitable cause I’d have done so, and it would have been to one of my own choosing rather than someone else making that decision for me. In hindsight, we’re all guilty of rushing in with our emotions and things not being clarified at the outset. Lessons are always being learned!
Personally, I find this all rather distasteful and disrespectful to both Davina and Maggie’s memory. I’d be feeling dreadful if this had happened to my horse and then watching this unfurl wouldn’t give me any comfort at all.
We need to draw a line under this quickly to prevent ill-feeling and distress. My suggestion would be that the records retained are passed on to Staffsmum, with the donations intended for EMW and any refunds requested indicated. The surplus, comprising those who want funds held on account together with the anonymous donations, should be transferred elsewhere if it is problematic for JG to hold them over, then we can build on that fund for future use.
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Post by circusdancer on Mar 29, 2008 21:50:23 GMT 1
Someone asked how much money is involved ( tried to quote but failed) The total raised is aprox £700 I missed your reply Chanellie and I was going to ignore it, given my previous comments about drawing a line under this, but now I'm so angry that you seem to know more about the amount in question than some of us who actually donated. You're one of EMW's chief fundraisers aren't you? I have to take a break I think!
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Post by Lorraine L on Mar 29, 2008 22:11:28 GMT 1
I was not involved in donating any money to this fund ( only because i didn't know about it ) and therefore, i shouldn't even be on this thread, but in order to move forward, could the money not be put into a high interest account held by Davina ? No one would question her integrity (sp) and all of those who did donate could keep in touch ( outside of both forums: IHDG and Saddle up ) to decide on a current or sadly, future cases of cruelty / murder of horses where it could be used as a reward or suchlike ? That is what you lovely people were expecting it to be used for ? Yes ?
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Post by erinshaw86 on Mar 29, 2008 22:39:59 GMT 1
I don’t know why JG is no longer around either, Neither does anyone else - I believe even the moderators couldn't give an explanation as to why they banned her. Chanellie knows how much money there is because JG posted the information on Saddle-Up where Chanellie is also a member. This is what JG posted on SU:
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Post by Diane with Sam & Jubilee on Mar 29, 2008 22:57:05 GMT 1
I was not involved in donating any money to this fund ( only because i didn't know about it ) and therefore, i shouldn't even be on this thread, but in order to move forward, could the money not be put into a high interest account held by Davina ? No one would question her integrity (sp) and all of those who did donate could keep in touch ( outside of both forums: IHDG and Saddle up ) to decide on a current or sadly, future cases of cruelty / murder of horses where it could be used as a reward or suchlike ? That is what you lovely people were expecting it to be used for ? Yes ? I am in full agreement with Lorraines suggestion that the money should be given to Davina for future rewards if needed. I do not feel that this money should be given to a charity such as EMW as that is not what it was raised for. It was raised to help bring to justice those responsible for such atrocious crimes. Just because it hasn't been needed in this case does not mean it won't be needed in the future. The other option is that the money gets refunded to those who donated and they choose what to do with it and where to donate it. The Maggie fund is a reward fund, not a collection for charity and, as such, reward is what the money should be used for.
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Post by circusdancer on Mar 29, 2008 23:32:39 GMT 1
Neither does anyone else - I believe even the moderators couldn't give an explanation as to why they banned her. I don’t really want to get dragged into all that because it’s irrelevant to the matter in hand as far as I’m concerned. Chanellie knows how much money there is because JG posted the information on Saddle-Up where Chanellie is also a member. This is what JG posted on SU: Thank you so much for cross-posting the clarification Erinshaw86, your reply has given me some hope now that forum politics aren’t having any bearing on such a sensitive subject. There were so many new names popping up, I was bewildered. I hope we can all stay in touch one way or another now to make sure we are all singing from the same hymn sheet. My earlier suggestion of transferring the remaining "pot" would seem appropriate given these circumstances. It's already been met with a promise to double whatever fund is left. Hopefully the mess can be unravelled to everyone's satisfaction.
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Post by MAGNUM on Mar 29, 2008 23:49:47 GMT 1
with all due respect, This money was to be used as a reward and was not used for that purpose. The person holding the funds should have kept a strict record of who paid what. I would have hope that the monies have been placed in a high interest account,and when the time was ready it would have increased by at least a little. I feel that the money would be a good starting point for the MAGGIE'S LAW campaign. I hope this doesn't sound to presumptuous. I have posted this again as the fund was for DAVINA'S MAGGIES MURDERING B ASTARDS. MAGGIE WAS NOT A HORSE THAT WAS NEGLECTED AND LEFT TO GO TO RACK AND RUIN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! DAVINA AND MICK LOVED THAT HORSE FOR 19 YEARS. UNITED WE MUST ALL STAND FOR ''MAGGIES LAW'' THIS WILL BENEFIT US ALL IN THE LONG RUN,BY STRENGTHENING THE LAWS MAGNUM
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Post by vickieb on Mar 30, 2008 0:10:43 GMT 1
[ Hopefully the mess can be unravelled to everyone's satisfaction. To the casual observer, I see one person on one board asking in a democratic manner for a concencus on what to do with a pot of money that was given for one specific cause, which is no longer needed for that specific cuase (ie, a pot of money to catch the b*stards that butchered that poor beautiful mare). On another, the same observer can see someone very vocally 'stirring' it. To be honest, I cant remember if I gave to the fund or not. If I did, I would much rather that pot went to help horses in need somewhere, anywhere, ASAP (and lets not forget EMW do take on horses that have suffered abuse, allbeit mainly through day to day neglect from careless owners rather then suffering at the hands of a heartless thug on one fateful night). That is because I love ALL horses and dont care in what way my money helps them. As long as its helps them. And the longer people sepend twisting words and stirring things, the longer that money is sitting, rather then helping. Im actually rather appaled and shocked by all of this, I really am.
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Post by mymenagerie on Mar 30, 2008 0:14:14 GMT 1
Someone asked how much money is involved ( tried to quote but failed) The total raised is aprox £700 I missed your reply Chanellie and I was going to ignore it, given my previous comments about drawing a line under this, but now I'm so angry that you seem to know more about the amount in question than some of us who actually donated. You're one of EMW's chief fundraisers aren't you? I have to take a break I think! and why are you angry, you asked for the total chanellie gave you it didn't she, yes she's one of the chief fundraisers, working hard for what seems to be a thankless task at times, so what you're saying is you'd rather £700 sat in a pot for goodness knows how long, say 5 years, god willing never needing to be used and then this subject comes up again, what then, does it then get donated, or does it sit there doing nothing while it could be helping horses in need right NOW! I feel insinuations against people who can't come on here to defend themselves in very poor taste too, I trust Janet to hold the money, if someone else is taking it for it to sit there for an unknown time then my donation can be taken out and given straight to emw because I would far rather it was helping horses NOW than to be kept 'just in case' emw goes out there into the thick of it to help save animals, they are true to their phrase of not looking away, they don't sit there tapping away at a pc/behind a desk putting the world to rights with their own belief's, they make darn sure they're doing things that can be seen with active results for the better for the animals they support! and how many actually asked how much was donated before this post.
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Post by MAGNUM on Mar 30, 2008 0:20:32 GMT 1
with all due respect, This money was to be used as a reward and was not used for that purpose. The person holding the funds should have kept a strict record of who paid what. I would have hope that the monies have been placed in a high interest account,and when the time was ready it would have increased by at least a little. I feel that the money would be a good starting point for the MAGGIE'S LAW campaign. I hope this doesn't sound to presumptuous. I have posted this again as the fund was for DAVINA'S MAGGIES MURDERING B ASTARDS. MAGGIE WAS NOT A HORSE THAT WAS NEGLECTED AND LEFT TO GO TO RACK AND RUIN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! DAVINA AND MICK LOVED THAT HORSE FOR 19 YEARS. UNITED WE MUST ALL STAND FOR ''MAGGIES LAW'' THIS WILL BENEFIT US ALL IN THE LONG RUN,BY STRENGTHENING THE LAWS MAGNUM
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Post by Cheryl Walmsley on Mar 30, 2008 0:21:27 GMT 1
Oh dear sorry, had no idea what i was getting involved in here, I didn't actually donate so will bow out :-)
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Post by MAGNUM on Mar 30, 2008 0:21:56 GMT 1
I HOPE DAVINA DOESNT LOG IN!!!!!!!
THIS IS VILE
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Post by indibindi on Mar 30, 2008 0:23:29 GMT 1
Er, I don't think we need a lecture on the work EMW does thankyou. the members of this board have raised plenty of money for them before and this board has ALWAYS been immensely supportive of them on an ongoing basis, but there ARE other horse charities and other equally deserving causes.
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Post by Geordie Horse on Mar 30, 2008 0:25:20 GMT 1
As usual the bizarre politics of this forum are going way over my head! I didn't donate-I wasn't on the forum when this dreadful thing happened, so this opinion may be heeded or discounted as any see fit: It doesn't come across as undue haste to me-the case has now been concluded, the guilty (woefully) sentenced, and there is therefore no need to have the reward any more. This (to me anyway) is why the question is being asked). FWIW I hate the concept of reward monies-its a bribe for doing the right thing-thank god the person who came forward did not profit if they were involved. I'm not sure why some donors felt that it was more acceptable to potentially give the money to a piece of lowlife than to a charity such as EMW, but then, as we say in the north, 'there's nowt so queer as folk'
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