Stallions in showing classes.

[cubic]

joe said:

bicky said:

Maybe if things had been more serious and professional with an experienced judge, the comments you have all made would come into play.

So a good behaved stallion deserves to win its class.

Sorry bicky but i do disagree with you ive been owning horses/ponies all my life of 21yrs and know a good horse

I have to agree with Bicky and disagree with Joe here. Just because a stallion is well behaved, doesn't mean it should automatically win the class, it is a showing class, where conformation, type and action should also be taken into consideration. An expereinced judge (not just horse owner) would take in to accound all these factors, and if a mare or gelding was superior in these aspects it should be placed above an inferior stallion.

[(\^/) Lotuspoint Joe (\^/)]

yes you need to say more bicky carry on.....

My cob was smelling of garlic and always put the same amount in his feed for over 3yrs now and i have never smelt it like this before.

No way could that stallion of been put 2nd/3rd/4th as he was exellent behaved and moved out perfect of what i seen. He "did not" have capped hockes like most of them did, and some were really capped badly, what ever i judge capped hocks dont really go well with me because i hate the look of them. He trotted out great not at all ploddy he did show himself of as a showey horse compaired to a ploddy horse that plods 1yard behind the handler not a very good picture to show anyone really..
Sorry but to win and be up in the tickets even if its for fun your horse needs to be showey and not ploddy..

[jor]

Joe I hate to pick you up on this but do you know what a capped hock is? I have never seen a class full of horses with capped hocks before, though maybe one?! Also you make no mention of conformation, conformation is extremely important and comes above how 'showy' the horse is or how well behaved he is 'for a stallion'. Sure if a horse misbehaves he/she should be down placed accordingly but I dont see why any horse should be given extra marks for behaving well, good behaviour at a show is expected whatever the sex.

[bicky]

Oh come on Joe, surely you can do better than that as a reply. Good job I don't get offended easily. Ploddy Kinzzy is the best horse in the world (without capped hocks) and nothing will ever change my mind on that one. She had waited two hours for her class and she is a bit like me and peaked too soon LOL.

Still, enough said on that and we don't want you chucking your toys out of your pram any more do we!!!

If nothing else, you're entertaining and colour blind it would appear LOL. Why don't you lighten up and return to planet earth or maybe you enjoy the banter.

[(\^/) Lotuspoint Joe (\^/)]

The stallion had great conformation and good straight action and paces.

Bicky Kinzzy does have capped hockes,do you know what they look like and feel like.
Im on planet earth thanks and no other..

[jor]

personally I dont remember kinzzy having capped hocks in any of the pictures Ive seen of her.

Do we have a name of the stallion in question by the way, wouldnt mind going to see if I could find a picture of the horse who is causing such a stir lol

[cubic]

joe said:

He "did not" have capped hockes like most of them did, and some were really capped badly, what ever i judge capped hocks dont really go well with me because i hate the look of them. He trotted out great not at all ploddy he did show himself of as a showey horse compaired to a ploddy horse that plods 1yard behind the handler not a very good picture to show anyone really..
Sorry but to win and be up in the tickets even if its for fun your horse needs to be showey and not ploddy..

No wonder so many people find local showing frustrating when they get judges who care more about whether a horse is 'showy' and has capped hocks than if it has true conformation faults (bearing in mind that a capped hock is a blemish that doesn't affect function, even though it isn't desirable).

If a horse with lots of presence has poor conformation, I'm afraid it will be put below one with less presence but better conformation if it comes under me in a show class. Presence is the icing on the cake for a show horse, conformation is the cake itself, the substance.

Modified to add, that I don't know the stallion in question so I'm not commenting on that one specifically.

[jor]

cubic...I think you put more cleary part of what I was trying to say LOL. Am just not with it at the mo.

[KoLaTo]

Sorry but is Joe saying that as he has owned horses all his life 21 yrs??? That he knows a good horse far better than someone who is say 40 and was born on the back of a horse?

Bicky, if ever you feel that a class has not been judged fairly or even according to the class entry rules then please please do raise an objection to the secretary even at a local fun show otherwise the club/society running the show dosen't get a chance to act on any complaints. I've been in showing far too long to ever put up with poor judging and although have rarely had cause to complain, when i have raised an objection, it has always been upheld and i have been thanked for it profusely as this is how new/young judges learn, by their mistakes !!

[varkie]

Lets all bear in mind here that sometimes quality is better than quantity! In other words, anyone can own horses for 10, 20 or 30 years or more, but that doesn't mean they necessarily look after them well, or actually know what they're on about!!!

Back to the stallion thing. A stallion should only be placed ahead of other horses if he is better than them. Being placed ahead of them purely because he is a stallion isn't enough.

Seeing a whole class full of capped hocks. Well, it does sound unlikely, but sometimes it does run like that! I remember looking at one class of horses, and they all had splints - another time, most of the class had something else in particular - I forget what now!

As to whether a horse should be placed ahead for being a bit more sprightly than being a bit ploddy. Hmmm. If we're talking a coloured in hand class, conformation is the most important thing - followed by quality of paces - only then would I look at whether they were too forward/not enough etc. I'd happily place a coloured with good conf & paces that was a bit steady against a sprightlier coloured with all sorts of odd conf - be it stallion, mare or gelding!!!

[bicky]

I agree Varkie, owning horses is one thing but owning them and having the knowledge and experience to meet their needs is quite another.

[KoLaTo]

*giggle* I must add that I am NOT 40 yrs old, just in case you were wondering.......

[KoLaTo]

Varkie - that little hairy on the right hand side is adorable, is that the little babe born a wee while ago or a new one?

[bicky]

LOL As if I would think that ;D

[KoLaTo]

Tee Hee bicky, it's just that i re-read my post and it sounded as if i might be talking about myself! Certainly wasn't born on a horse, nearest my mum gets to the neds is from the end of the garden path with an outstretched finger - LOL