HOYS & RIHS Leveys

[phnomstud]

Am I the only one who thinks that this system is now out of control?
Example:
Last month we went to a NCPA show at a well know venue, entry fees were £10.00 per class.
The following week we went to a show at the same venue, RHIS and HOYs classes were £30.00 per class and that included £9.00 levey.
The beef is;
Surely it cost the same to hire the venue
Why then was there an £11.00 difference in the entry fees (taking into account the levey)
We had the same judge for both classes so surely his fee was the same?
What gets me is the fact that I am being used to make money, OK this happens every time I enter a show but to make it so obvious is out of order.
Sorry to go on but I do find this hard to swallow so much so that we will not be entering our area BSPS show who have followed the same path but on the same day at the same venue???

[specialsparkle3]

This is not the fault of the show, it is the RIHS and HOYS that demand this levy towards the cost of running these major shows, and if a show like the one you went to is allowed to run qualifyers, then they have no choice, but to charge the levy.
This enormous exta amount of money they receive doesn't however affect the enormous amount of entry fee you still have to pay when you qualify, so if you are not lucky enough to qualify in the first couple of trys then you are REALLY talking expensive ;D

[magicgirl]

I am not happy about the levy but what I really object to are the shows who increase the coat of entering these classes and THEN add the levy on, it seems as if we are paying twice.

[cubic]

SS3, I don't think phnomstud objects to the levy itself, but the extra that the show also adds on. So if a normal class is £10 to enter and the levy is £9, it seems to follow that the total entry fee should be £19, not £30. I also wonder what this extra money (not the levy) is going on, as the classes don't cost any more to run than a normal society qualifier, the price seems to be increased just because they know people will enter, whatever the cost.

[specialsparkle3]

8-)Ahh---see what you mean, not very good at maths

[natalia]

I got my hickstead schedule through today and am mortified at the entry fees! At work we normally take a couple of coloureds to the derby meeting as its local and aHOYS qualifier, so looks good on the horses CV! but £30 a class is silly money. I am doing dressage at Hickstead fairly reg also and where as most venues I can afford to do 2 classes per show, the entries for Hickstead are £18 per class for dressage so I can only do one each time I go! This is double most of the other local venues!

[bryn]

Again the escalating costs of showing being highlighted..it is despicable to see how some organisers are 'profiteering' on the back of levee's that are necessary to support major championship events, (HOYS, OLYMPIA, etc.) Maybe some of these organisers can explain the 'doubling even trebling' (sp) as described in 'phnomstud' thread. If in their explanations, they may well convince, (brainwash), us, that they are indeed a special-cause, and far more worthwhile than the other 'cheaper one with all the same attributes'...the cheaper one may well raise its costs the following year to keep up with the trend...talk about escalating costs or should it read 'Competetive Spirit!' next thing we'll hear is 'closed due to lack of support/entries/interest/whatever', thus this financial viability 'thingy' will go out the proverbial window. Organisers Beware...There is such a thing as 'costing yourself out of the market! - and some of us CAN add up. Well spotted 'phnomstud' and as we all know from Natalia's comments, when prices are 'hiked' we reduce our entries instead of two we may only enter one, and maybe not even that if the overall costs of transporting etc etc means we will be better off not going at all or going to one more local...I wonder how long it will take for it to dawn on the powers that be?

Great Competition Folks!....Be Wise, Be Serious, Be Sensible and have loads of Fun! ;D

[showhorses]

this year i think i paid somthing like 50 for the royal show,by the time i have paid for entry and levy

[☺Smithy☺]

I am sure the entries for The Great Yorkshire show this year are £45!!!!!
The Red Rose county show at Myerscough in Preston £28 plus £9.00 contribution for HOYS classes.All other classes £10 if not a member £8 if a member,at the same show.
It seems because they are HOYS show qualifiers the enry fee goes up.

[phnomstud]

Here we go again!!!!
just doing the entries for Royal Lancs and the entries are £27.50 for RIHS qualifiers but £15 or £10 for all other classes, same show ground, same day.
We are going to Myerscough on Monday for the NPS Area 5 show and the entries there are even worse, Olympia classes are £21 per class, HOYS classes are £30 including £9 levey and all other classes are £10. Again same venue, same day. Am I missing something here??? or am I being ripped off.
I am beginning to think that by being home produced, I am being forced out by the producers and the rich guys, who by the way we beat on a level playing field!!!!!!

[ps]

As a competitor I appreciate any possible savings...especially late closing dates for entries (BSPS 2B show this Sat has entries "on line" open until midnight tonight!!) as sometimes you are not sure if you will go but have to enter weeks in advance anyway!!! However, the cost of running something like a BSPS area show is huge. Our area show was cancelled at the 11th hour last year by the owners of the showground (due to bad weather) and the area lost a considerable amount of money. These shows are usually run entirely by volunteers and few make any considerable profit (which is often not actually the aim of running a show anyway). They need to charge as much as possible for entry fees, without putting people off. SO that is why the "big" qualifiers carry an extra charge, above the levy....because people will still enter!!

[☺Smithy☺]

The entries could be more expensive for the HOYS & RIHS because the horse becames more valuable montary wise?
What do you think?

[☺Smithy☺]

Just another thought.
Why do the entries differ at each show especially for HOYS classes?

[tobyh]

PS I totally disagree that your Area would have lost huge money because of cancellation, most shows now a days take out weather protection insurance and most keep back a certain amount of your entry fee to cover their losses. True most people are volunteers, judges dont get paid much either, hire of SJ (if needed) timing equipment, health and safety measures, ring roping dont come cheap, but no one runs a show at a loss, they are all in it to make money.

Show secretaries know that RIHS qualifiers and HOYS produce big numbers where as the other classes will have fewer competitors so you up the qualifiers and lower the entry fee on other classes to encourage the competitors.

Costs are huge to put on a show, but there are a lot of shows that make huge profits and get subsidies. Hickstead is one example of what I think is a rip off, entries for all classes are huge, specatators get stung not only for entry but then for parking add on a show schedule, cup of tea and something to eat and you have nearly done £100 for a family of 4. If you add up sponsorship, entry fees, spectator fees, trade stand fees, revenue from advertising, subsidies from the BSJA he is on to a total win win situation. Its a lovely venue to compete at but the cost is pricing out most normal riders that are the backbone of these shows, not the professionals.

I do realise that affiliated shows have to give a sub back per competitor to the affiliated body, but these is only couple of pounds (or was in 2000) so how on earth can you justify some £15-£20 for one dressage test. The most it would cost for a class of 20 worst ways is £4 per competitor and that is very over estimated. The rest is pure profit. I wonder how many of the smaller show centres and local shows actually declare their earnings to the tax man, I know our yard never did.

[daisydaisy]

I am not get in to this argument but tobyh you make profit sound like a dirty word. No-one works for no profit if they can help it and I know that ps's area plough a huge amount back into their memebers each year in training and get-togethers, so they are not using the profit to go on foreign holidays.
I am sure that most shows might take out weather protection but not all of them and our Area 8 winter show ran at a loss for many years - it was put on for the enjoyment of the participants - the summer show paid for it.
Weather protection is not free either.