Post by Admin on Aug 5, 2005 12:55:05 GMT 1
Subject : A word of warning about dentist's
From : Veronica F
Date : 17.09.02 10:08:00 PM
Hi Guys,Just a word of warning,I have been using a dentist over the years with my horses, thinking all was well with what I had been told,also I am not a dentist so didn't question it.I thought the one I had was good and that I was having them done as I should so didn't question anything, I mislaid his phone number,so I went round a friends who used to have him the same time as me it helped with the cost.anyway she warned me that she had had big problems with her horses teeth which turned out to be this dentist we had been using fault and adviced me not to use him again.so I looked in the paper and found a good add,which said this dentist was trained at Academy of equine dentistry,and glenns ferry,plus idaho,USA, also trained by the british equine vetinary Association to advanced level.also that he was very pateince and kind to horses.so I booked him,he came tonight,there were so many problems with their mouths it was untrue to the fact that I had had a dentist regular before.he done so much not just rasping but checking their bite and how their mouths moved right to everything.even to telling me things I had never known about what things had happened to them in their younger days when I didn't own them then. like my mare Zulu had when she was a youngster had been kicked in her mouth,he showed us where the scares were and how the teeth had formed because of that.plus my old pony had lot worse teeth than I was lead to believe from my last dentist.
so this warning is really even if you have had a dentist out and things are not right get a second opinion, plus check thier qualifications,don't do like me thinking because they say they are a horse dentist that they know what they are doing.
This one which we will be using for ever more now is called Equine Dentistry,Justin Pugh phone number 07970 730226 or e mail justinpugh14@yahoo.co.uk
Subject : re:- A word of warning about dentist's
From : eileen
Date : 17.09.02 10:25:00 PM
Just read your e.mail v, looks like you have got a good man now?? love eileen xxx
Subject : re:- A word of warning about dentist's
From : Lorraine L
Date : 17.09.02 10:31:00 PM
Hi Veronica - nice to see you around !!! and hello Eileen ... as I am following you around again tonight !!!
I had much the same problem V, although I used to use the vet for a routine rasp. It wasn't until a lady was recommended to me that I was amazed by the expertise of these dentals !!
She did a chart including each tooth, together with a full explanation of what and why she was doing anything. Excellent !
xxx
Subject : re:- A word of warning about dentist's
From : eileen
Date : 17.09.02 10:45:00 PM
Hi lorraine! got used to being tailed now!! hope you are ok?? love eileen xx
Subject : re:- A word of warning about dentist's
From : Jacquie
Date : 17.09.02 10:47:00 PM
Like you I had used the vet and a 'dentist all her life'. Now use Marcus Fasey from South Yorkshire - Highly recommended - done really good work and extremely well trained.
Can always forward number on if anyone needs one up here.
Subject : re:- A word of warning about dentist's
From : Sara (Belgium)
Date : 18.09.02 8:14:00 AM
My equine dentist also trained at Idaho (it's actually called something like the Kentucky School) and it's a year-long course although if someone knows a lot about horses they're allowed to skip the first three months - apparently that's all "this is a horse, it has four legs and a tail" sort of stuff!! I've heard it said on this board before that American trained dentists are far superior to the UK-trained ones as the discipline is still in its infancy here and they only need to do a few weeks before calling themselves "qualified". The tools alone that my dentist uses - like diamond cutting edges mean the work is much quicker than with an ordinary rasp. When I moved to the new yard I asked what dentist they used and was told somebody British trained so despite the extra costs for a single horse call-out, I'll be sticking with Lester.
Sorry to hear that you had so many problems V. but at least you've found a good dentist now.
Subject : re:- A word of warning about dentist's
From : Jo
Date : 18.09.02 8:23:00 AM
I'm having a dentist out to my pony tonight, using someone called Robert Ruddy in yorkshire - he did an excellent job with my horse few months ago. Now I shall be watching him tonight!
Have you heard of him Jacqui?
Subject : re:- A word of warning about dentist's
From : lucy j
Date : 18.09.02 8:47:00 AM
i just use my vet, anyone know anyone in south of england thats good (ie hampshire/berkshire area?
Subject : re:- A word of warning about dentist's
From : Veronica F
Date : 18.09.02 8:59:00 AM
Hi Guys,thanks guys but I still feel bad this morning,to find out that your horses have been in discomfort for a long long time is a awful thing to find out.this is another thing that I found out last night, well Zulu hates the dentist she runs a mile with the smell of them coming.I couldn't understand it as the last dentist was very kind to her,but when I told this one what she was like with the dentist he started to ask me loads of questions like how long was the gage thing they use to keep their mouth open("sorry don't know what its called")how long was it opened for?when did he shut it? well with us thinking back, it used to be open the whole time they were being done.this dentist explained that its very very uncomfortable for them to have their mouths open like that all the time for a long length of time.and even that can give discomfort to the point of the horse having bad feels with dentists inturn dreading the dentist coming.its just a thing you don't even know or even think about or know anything different,so you don't question it.but the diffence in Zulu was amazing,and like Sara's dentist I have never seen so many tools in my life.
Subject : re:- A word of warning about dentist's
From : Roz
Date : 18.09.02 9:08:00 AM
It's funny but I've just found out that all dentists are not what they seem as well.
There are a number of "equine dentists" who operate in our area (North Somerset) and as I was looking for a really good dentist for my new horse I started asking around. In the past I had used my vet, but to be honest it's like going to your GP for a rare disease, rather than going to the rare diseases hospital (if you know what I mean).
I finally found a very good dentist called Lucinda Stockley (07968 344 256), she came very highly recomended by a lady called Sarah Fisher who runs a holistic horse centre just outside Bath and is the highest qualified TTeam practioner in the country.
So I booked Lucinda and out she came, she spent over an hour on Solsti's teeth and every step of the way she explained what she was doing, and got me to put my hand inside his mouth to feel what was going on. She said that she never advertised as word of mouth worked far better. She also explained that there was only her and one other who were actually qualifed dentists, the rest, although they may have trained in America, had not actually taken any exams, whereas she had.
I will now not use any other dentist, and the difference she has made to Solsti is incredible.
Next time your dentist comes out, why don't you ask him or her, exactly what exams they've taken, you may be surprised by the answer, I know I was.
PS Lucinda travels all round the country doing horses teeth, so if anyone wants her, why don't you give her a call.
Subject : re:- A word of warning about dentist's
From : gill mcg
Date : 18.09.02 10:08:00 AM
Highly recommend Chris Keate who also trained in the states and has been examined by the BRCVS. I was under the impression that there is currently no such thing as a 'qualified equine dentist' - the BRCVS are looking into changing this. Chris also turns up with about 10 different rasps, mouthwash (including a HUGE syringe to pump it into the horses mouth), a dental record sheet, etc. He is very good with the horses. I am in Sussex but I believe he does cover most of the South East. Can find his phone number if anyone wants it. He also recommends Doug Vieweg.
Subject : re:- A word of warning about dentist's
From :
Date : 18.09.02 10:22:00 AM
The best dentist is greg wood based in hampshire, he isn't just a very qualified dentist he has also been asked to lecture a bit in the states, he trained with lucinda mentioned above. He has also evented and showjumped so really knows horses.
phone number 02380 692671
Subject : re:- A word of warning about dentist's
From : Roz
Date : 18.09.02 10:38:00 AM
Oops slight mistake, what I meant to say was that Lucinda (and one other) is the only qualified dentist in our area, not in the UK! Sorry it came across wrong on my second reading.
Subject : re:- A word of warning about dentist's
From : shannah
Date : 18.09.02 11:10:00 AM
A lady had a dentist to her pony , who stage by stage removed ALL of the poor pony's teeth. needless to say the poor girl was like a skeleton by the time we saw her. My rescue friend offered to take her and help her gain weight, but the 'lady' was so annoyed with people reporting her pony that she refused! Her reason was that 'if I give her to you people will think I can't look after her'. We kept a check on the pony but shortly afterwards she was either moved or had died. Nice woman, great dentist.
Subject : re:- A word of warning about dentist's
From : Sara K
Date : 18.09.02 1:06:00 PM
I used to have a brilliant equine dentistry website in my favourites, but my home PC is at the computer hospital this week! Wish I could remember the link. The guy's name is Mark (I think) and he recommended a really good dentist called Giles Potter who trained in the States. He comes with a huge array of tools, and has a fantastic way with the horses. The first female dentist I used asked me to hang on to Jo, but Giles just tucks the end of his leadrope in his belt and gets on with it. Instead of shaking and cowering t the back of the stable, Jo stood pretty relaxed throughout. He also closed down the gag at regular intervals so that Jo's mouth wasn't constantly wide open.
Out of interest though, a friend told me she took her horse to the vet, and he cleaned the teeth up using power tools under sedation. There was also a bit about this on one of those vet programmes the other day. The vet said that there is no way a dentist could rasp off the stuff on the teeth as it would take too long.
I actually prefer to use an equine dentist, but does anyone have any experience of vets using super tools?
Subject : re:- A word of warning about dentist's
From : Roz
Date : 18.09.02 1:08:00 PM
Lucinda used an electric tool on Solsti, it had different heads, which she used instead of a rasp, although she did use a rasp to finish off with.
Subject : re:- A word of warning about dentist's
From : Bev
Date : 18.09.02 1:53:00 PM
Jo - i use Robert Ruddy. He does seem good. He has a chart that he marks the horses teeth on and he checks the movement of the jaw etc One of the girls on our livery knew him as he used to do her mothers teeth - he was a human dentist before doing horses. Hes also good with the horses - very calm and if they won't keep still you can take them to his house which has a proper area to sedate the horse - my frined had to take hers as he couldn't get near her - nervous headshy T/B
The only problem i have with him is hes sooo busy. Last time i tried to get him it took me about 5 phonecalls - he kept saying he'd phone back and didn't. Hes also usually in a rush but he doesn't rush doing the job, he just says he hasn't enough time to do anymore horses. When he gives you a chart and says when the horse needs doing again, make a note as he won't remind you.
Enough moaning! I suppose it must be nice to be good at your job and kept very busy:))
Subject : re:- A word of warning about dentist's
From : Friesian fan Vic
Date : 18.09.02 2:04:00 PM
Ive had troubles in the past with my local vet and I promised myself I will not use a vet for teeth again.
Once I used a tooth fairy (thats what I call them!) only to find out by another tooth fairy later that they had not done the job properly, hence the not wanting to work on the left rein too well.
Now I use a brilliant chap who works with Richard Maxwell. He trained in America and brings a bone structure of the horses jaw and shows you exactly what he is going to do and why. He is brilliant.
He also files (sp?) down a big piece of the tooth that tends to get the Bit stuck and thus jerks in the horses mouth, he makes it smooth so that there is no jerking and jabbing.
He has to do it under sedation (the horse that it!) and he told me that he does lots of international dressage horses which is why they are sooooo comfortable in the mouth at all times.
Would it be funny if he had to be under sedation to do the job! lol
Subject : re:- A word of warning about dentist's
From : LouiseB
Date : 18.09.02 3:07:00 PM
Hi Friesian Fan Vic. What area does your dentist cover ? I'm based near Knutsford in Cheshire.
Subject : re:- A word of warning about dentist's
From : LouiseT
Date : 18.09.02 3:18:00 PM
Are any of these wonderful dentists based in the berkshire Area?
I was wary of using someone who wasn't recommended before I read this post, now I'm even more so!
Subject : re:- A word of warning about dentist's
From : Speedy
Date : 18.09.02 3:27:00 PM
I use Martin Danzebrink and he is also excellent - can't remember all his qualifications but he has a website - holistichorsehealth.co.uk He has the large array of tools, plus the eletric rasp thing (particularly for horses that haven't been done properly for years and have large hooks), closes the gag alot and is fantastic with all the horses. He is a horse lover, rather than just a dentist.
LouiseT - what part of Berks? He comes to me in Herts and I'm near the Bucks/Berks border
Subject : re:- A word of warning about dentist's
From : LouiseT
Date : 18.09.02 3:30:00 PM
Speedy - I'm the Berks/Oxon border, Roo is kept about 8 miles out of Reading. Do you think he would travel this far?
From : Veronica F
Date : 17.09.02 10:08:00 PM
Hi Guys,Just a word of warning,I have been using a dentist over the years with my horses, thinking all was well with what I had been told,also I am not a dentist so didn't question it.I thought the one I had was good and that I was having them done as I should so didn't question anything, I mislaid his phone number,so I went round a friends who used to have him the same time as me it helped with the cost.anyway she warned me that she had had big problems with her horses teeth which turned out to be this dentist we had been using fault and adviced me not to use him again.so I looked in the paper and found a good add,which said this dentist was trained at Academy of equine dentistry,and glenns ferry,plus idaho,USA, also trained by the british equine vetinary Association to advanced level.also that he was very pateince and kind to horses.so I booked him,he came tonight,there were so many problems with their mouths it was untrue to the fact that I had had a dentist regular before.he done so much not just rasping but checking their bite and how their mouths moved right to everything.even to telling me things I had never known about what things had happened to them in their younger days when I didn't own them then. like my mare Zulu had when she was a youngster had been kicked in her mouth,he showed us where the scares were and how the teeth had formed because of that.plus my old pony had lot worse teeth than I was lead to believe from my last dentist.
so this warning is really even if you have had a dentist out and things are not right get a second opinion, plus check thier qualifications,don't do like me thinking because they say they are a horse dentist that they know what they are doing.
This one which we will be using for ever more now is called Equine Dentistry,Justin Pugh phone number 07970 730226 or e mail justinpugh14@yahoo.co.uk
Subject : re:- A word of warning about dentist's
From : eileen
Date : 17.09.02 10:25:00 PM
Just read your e.mail v, looks like you have got a good man now?? love eileen xxx
Subject : re:- A word of warning about dentist's
From : Lorraine L
Date : 17.09.02 10:31:00 PM
Hi Veronica - nice to see you around !!! and hello Eileen ... as I am following you around again tonight !!!
I had much the same problem V, although I used to use the vet for a routine rasp. It wasn't until a lady was recommended to me that I was amazed by the expertise of these dentals !!
She did a chart including each tooth, together with a full explanation of what and why she was doing anything. Excellent !
xxx
Subject : re:- A word of warning about dentist's
From : eileen
Date : 17.09.02 10:45:00 PM
Hi lorraine! got used to being tailed now!! hope you are ok?? love eileen xx
Subject : re:- A word of warning about dentist's
From : Jacquie
Date : 17.09.02 10:47:00 PM
Like you I had used the vet and a 'dentist all her life'. Now use Marcus Fasey from South Yorkshire - Highly recommended - done really good work and extremely well trained.
Can always forward number on if anyone needs one up here.
Subject : re:- A word of warning about dentist's
From : Sara (Belgium)
Date : 18.09.02 8:14:00 AM
My equine dentist also trained at Idaho (it's actually called something like the Kentucky School) and it's a year-long course although if someone knows a lot about horses they're allowed to skip the first three months - apparently that's all "this is a horse, it has four legs and a tail" sort of stuff!! I've heard it said on this board before that American trained dentists are far superior to the UK-trained ones as the discipline is still in its infancy here and they only need to do a few weeks before calling themselves "qualified". The tools alone that my dentist uses - like diamond cutting edges mean the work is much quicker than with an ordinary rasp. When I moved to the new yard I asked what dentist they used and was told somebody British trained so despite the extra costs for a single horse call-out, I'll be sticking with Lester.
Sorry to hear that you had so many problems V. but at least you've found a good dentist now.
Subject : re:- A word of warning about dentist's
From : Jo
Date : 18.09.02 8:23:00 AM
I'm having a dentist out to my pony tonight, using someone called Robert Ruddy in yorkshire - he did an excellent job with my horse few months ago. Now I shall be watching him tonight!
Have you heard of him Jacqui?
Subject : re:- A word of warning about dentist's
From : lucy j
Date : 18.09.02 8:47:00 AM
i just use my vet, anyone know anyone in south of england thats good (ie hampshire/berkshire area?
Subject : re:- A word of warning about dentist's
From : Veronica F
Date : 18.09.02 8:59:00 AM
Hi Guys,thanks guys but I still feel bad this morning,to find out that your horses have been in discomfort for a long long time is a awful thing to find out.this is another thing that I found out last night, well Zulu hates the dentist she runs a mile with the smell of them coming.I couldn't understand it as the last dentist was very kind to her,but when I told this one what she was like with the dentist he started to ask me loads of questions like how long was the gage thing they use to keep their mouth open("sorry don't know what its called")how long was it opened for?when did he shut it? well with us thinking back, it used to be open the whole time they were being done.this dentist explained that its very very uncomfortable for them to have their mouths open like that all the time for a long length of time.and even that can give discomfort to the point of the horse having bad feels with dentists inturn dreading the dentist coming.its just a thing you don't even know or even think about or know anything different,so you don't question it.but the diffence in Zulu was amazing,and like Sara's dentist I have never seen so many tools in my life.
Subject : re:- A word of warning about dentist's
From : Roz
Date : 18.09.02 9:08:00 AM
It's funny but I've just found out that all dentists are not what they seem as well.
There are a number of "equine dentists" who operate in our area (North Somerset) and as I was looking for a really good dentist for my new horse I started asking around. In the past I had used my vet, but to be honest it's like going to your GP for a rare disease, rather than going to the rare diseases hospital (if you know what I mean).
I finally found a very good dentist called Lucinda Stockley (07968 344 256), she came very highly recomended by a lady called Sarah Fisher who runs a holistic horse centre just outside Bath and is the highest qualified TTeam practioner in the country.
So I booked Lucinda and out she came, she spent over an hour on Solsti's teeth and every step of the way she explained what she was doing, and got me to put my hand inside his mouth to feel what was going on. She said that she never advertised as word of mouth worked far better. She also explained that there was only her and one other who were actually qualifed dentists, the rest, although they may have trained in America, had not actually taken any exams, whereas she had.
I will now not use any other dentist, and the difference she has made to Solsti is incredible.
Next time your dentist comes out, why don't you ask him or her, exactly what exams they've taken, you may be surprised by the answer, I know I was.
PS Lucinda travels all round the country doing horses teeth, so if anyone wants her, why don't you give her a call.
Subject : re:- A word of warning about dentist's
From : gill mcg
Date : 18.09.02 10:08:00 AM
Highly recommend Chris Keate who also trained in the states and has been examined by the BRCVS. I was under the impression that there is currently no such thing as a 'qualified equine dentist' - the BRCVS are looking into changing this. Chris also turns up with about 10 different rasps, mouthwash (including a HUGE syringe to pump it into the horses mouth), a dental record sheet, etc. He is very good with the horses. I am in Sussex but I believe he does cover most of the South East. Can find his phone number if anyone wants it. He also recommends Doug Vieweg.
Subject : re:- A word of warning about dentist's
From :
Date : 18.09.02 10:22:00 AM
The best dentist is greg wood based in hampshire, he isn't just a very qualified dentist he has also been asked to lecture a bit in the states, he trained with lucinda mentioned above. He has also evented and showjumped so really knows horses.
phone number 02380 692671
Subject : re:- A word of warning about dentist's
From : Roz
Date : 18.09.02 10:38:00 AM
Oops slight mistake, what I meant to say was that Lucinda (and one other) is the only qualified dentist in our area, not in the UK! Sorry it came across wrong on my second reading.
Subject : re:- A word of warning about dentist's
From : shannah
Date : 18.09.02 11:10:00 AM
A lady had a dentist to her pony , who stage by stage removed ALL of the poor pony's teeth. needless to say the poor girl was like a skeleton by the time we saw her. My rescue friend offered to take her and help her gain weight, but the 'lady' was so annoyed with people reporting her pony that she refused! Her reason was that 'if I give her to you people will think I can't look after her'. We kept a check on the pony but shortly afterwards she was either moved or had died. Nice woman, great dentist.
Subject : re:- A word of warning about dentist's
From : Sara K
Date : 18.09.02 1:06:00 PM
I used to have a brilliant equine dentistry website in my favourites, but my home PC is at the computer hospital this week! Wish I could remember the link. The guy's name is Mark (I think) and he recommended a really good dentist called Giles Potter who trained in the States. He comes with a huge array of tools, and has a fantastic way with the horses. The first female dentist I used asked me to hang on to Jo, but Giles just tucks the end of his leadrope in his belt and gets on with it. Instead of shaking and cowering t the back of the stable, Jo stood pretty relaxed throughout. He also closed down the gag at regular intervals so that Jo's mouth wasn't constantly wide open.
Out of interest though, a friend told me she took her horse to the vet, and he cleaned the teeth up using power tools under sedation. There was also a bit about this on one of those vet programmes the other day. The vet said that there is no way a dentist could rasp off the stuff on the teeth as it would take too long.
I actually prefer to use an equine dentist, but does anyone have any experience of vets using super tools?
Subject : re:- A word of warning about dentist's
From : Roz
Date : 18.09.02 1:08:00 PM
Lucinda used an electric tool on Solsti, it had different heads, which she used instead of a rasp, although she did use a rasp to finish off with.
Subject : re:- A word of warning about dentist's
From : Bev
Date : 18.09.02 1:53:00 PM
Jo - i use Robert Ruddy. He does seem good. He has a chart that he marks the horses teeth on and he checks the movement of the jaw etc One of the girls on our livery knew him as he used to do her mothers teeth - he was a human dentist before doing horses. Hes also good with the horses - very calm and if they won't keep still you can take them to his house which has a proper area to sedate the horse - my frined had to take hers as he couldn't get near her - nervous headshy T/B
The only problem i have with him is hes sooo busy. Last time i tried to get him it took me about 5 phonecalls - he kept saying he'd phone back and didn't. Hes also usually in a rush but he doesn't rush doing the job, he just says he hasn't enough time to do anymore horses. When he gives you a chart and says when the horse needs doing again, make a note as he won't remind you.
Enough moaning! I suppose it must be nice to be good at your job and kept very busy:))
Subject : re:- A word of warning about dentist's
From : Friesian fan Vic
Date : 18.09.02 2:04:00 PM
Ive had troubles in the past with my local vet and I promised myself I will not use a vet for teeth again.
Once I used a tooth fairy (thats what I call them!) only to find out by another tooth fairy later that they had not done the job properly, hence the not wanting to work on the left rein too well.
Now I use a brilliant chap who works with Richard Maxwell. He trained in America and brings a bone structure of the horses jaw and shows you exactly what he is going to do and why. He is brilliant.
He also files (sp?) down a big piece of the tooth that tends to get the Bit stuck and thus jerks in the horses mouth, he makes it smooth so that there is no jerking and jabbing.
He has to do it under sedation (the horse that it!) and he told me that he does lots of international dressage horses which is why they are sooooo comfortable in the mouth at all times.
Would it be funny if he had to be under sedation to do the job! lol
Subject : re:- A word of warning about dentist's
From : LouiseB
Date : 18.09.02 3:07:00 PM
Hi Friesian Fan Vic. What area does your dentist cover ? I'm based near Knutsford in Cheshire.
Subject : re:- A word of warning about dentist's
From : LouiseT
Date : 18.09.02 3:18:00 PM
Are any of these wonderful dentists based in the berkshire Area?
I was wary of using someone who wasn't recommended before I read this post, now I'm even more so!
Subject : re:- A word of warning about dentist's
From : Speedy
Date : 18.09.02 3:27:00 PM
I use Martin Danzebrink and he is also excellent - can't remember all his qualifications but he has a website - holistichorsehealth.co.uk He has the large array of tools, plus the eletric rasp thing (particularly for horses that haven't been done properly for years and have large hooks), closes the gag alot and is fantastic with all the horses. He is a horse lover, rather than just a dentist.
LouiseT - what part of Berks? He comes to me in Herts and I'm near the Bucks/Berks border
Subject : re:- A word of warning about dentist's
From : LouiseT
Date : 18.09.02 3:30:00 PM
Speedy - I'm the Berks/Oxon border, Roo is kept about 8 miles out of Reading. Do you think he would travel this far?
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