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Post by cokey on Dec 20, 2005 20:02:46 GMT 1
Does anyone know of any TB stallions that run with their mares? I am hoping to get my mare covered next year and am trying to avoid the catastrophic cock-up (all puns intended) that happened last time when she was effectively raped. She ended up having colic surgery as the rapist (sorry, stallion) displaced her large intestine.
Anyone who has any info on this? BTW, any near Suffolk would be particularly good!
Thanks
Cokey
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Post by Francis Burton on Dec 20, 2005 23:34:10 GMT 1
Does anyone know of any TB stallions that run with their mares? I am hoping to get my mare covered next year and am trying to avoid the catastrophic cock-up (all puns intended) that happened last time when she was effectively raped. She ended up having colic surgery as the rapist (sorry, stallion) displaced her large intestine. That is horrendous!  How on earth did that happen?? Any decent stud staff should be able to do a covering without that kind of injury to the mare, and know to use a breeding roll if the mare is small relative to the stallion. Also, covering in hand needn't be rape if enough time is allowed for teasing - not just to see if the mare is in oestrus but to give her time to be "warmed up" by the stallion as well. Do all studs allow unhurried teasing? Definitely not - which is why I would want to go and see how they do things at a possible stud before sending my mare there. I doubt you will find more than a handful of TB studs anywhere which let their stallion(s) run with mares. Most of these stallions are just too valuable to risk a mare kicking them in a field. However, I could be wrong. If you find a place which does, I'd be very keen to know about it. Good luck! |
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Post by amelia on Dec 21, 2005 12:22:01 GMT 1
hi cokey, as Francis said, you'd be very lucky to find a decent pure TB that runs with mares. My mare went to run with a stallion this summer, he is lovely but unfortunately isn't pure TB and is in Surrey so too far away, but it does go to show that there are some very good stallions about that cover naturally. Having done it this way i don't think i'd ever do it differently, it was amazing to watch them. There were about 8 mares (2 with foals at foot) and the stallion running in about 20 acres - i spent many summer evenings sat under one of the trees watching how the herd interacted - absolutely amazing.
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Post by lucia on Dec 21, 2005 12:34:20 GMT 1
I know of one local too me (Glos) - he belongs to my instructor - He's a black TB and he's gorgeous. Not sure of his proper name I know him as 'Otto' my YO has a filly by him and she's beautiful and very nice natured.
PM me if you want more details..
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Post by sueabbery on Dec 21, 2005 13:52:09 GMT 1
My loanie stallion runs with the mares Rislan is a TB USA import.
But I'm down in Cornwall
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Post by cokey on Dec 21, 2005 16:09:30 GMT 1
It was horrendous, Francis, and that's why I never want to go through it again. She had the surgery at 6 weeks pregnant and how the baby survived, I'll never know. Apparently it would have taken that long for the gut to "back up" as it were, so we didn't notice before. Poor girl!
The stud did tease her and she was receptive to the very polite horse that was used for that, but when they brought out the exceedingly "keen" stallion that was due to cover her, I think she changed her mind. She was an 11yo maiden, so I think that he was just a bit much for her. Apparantly, they stood her in front of 2 stacked up heston bales as she had jumped over the covering bar to try and get away. Really don't like to think too much about it though as it makes me feel soooo evil.
However, I have decided that next time, it's going to be her call!
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Post by Francis Burton on Dec 21, 2005 17:28:36 GMT 1
However, I have decided that next time, it's going to be her call! Good for you Cokey, that's how it should be. It makes me angry that people would "do what it takes" to get a mare covered when her behaviour was so clearly shouting "No!". The question is where does one draw the line when the mare is showing slight negative signs? Some mares will stand quietly to be covered and then kick out after the stallion has finished. Does that mean she wasn't receptive after all? Most mares will squeal and stamp at the stallion during foreplay, even at liberty. Some mares will stand quietly as long as the stallion doesn't bite, which is understandable. Yet biting is normal behaviour for many stallions (though I try to discourage it). My personal feeling is that the mare should not be physically restrained beyond what her handler can achieve through the use of leadrope and headcollar, or if some kind of barrier is used, at the very least she should not feel trapped. Then, if her reactions to the stallion indicate that she wants to get away from the stallion, that should be taken as a definite refusal and covering abandoned. (However, walking forward during covering is perfectly normal.) The stallion should learn to accept occasional refusals. After all, he would have to live with that if he was running out with mares! This is where most TB studs fall down in my opinion - their breeding stallions learn that a mare invariably means sex. Indeed, this is actively encouraged and stallions are expected to get the job done as quickly as possible. I see nothing wrong with using felt covering boots for protecting the stallion. However, use of hobbles and/or twitch on the mare is (potentially) too coercive for my liking. Should a mare consistently show signs of rejecting the stallion, even when the scan shows she's in season, then I personally would try another stallion, find a stud that offered natural service, opt for AI (if allowed), or accept the fact that I won't be breeding from that mare. Hopelessly idealistic, I know...  Anyway, I wish you success in whatever you decide to do. |
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How on earth did that happen?? Any decent stud staff should be able to do a covering without that kind of injury to the mare, and know to use a breeding roll if the mare is small relative to the stallion. Also, covering in hand needn't be rape if enough time is allowed for teasing - not just to see if the mare is in oestrus but to give her time to be "warmed up" by the stallion as well. Do all studs allow unhurried teasing? Definitely not - which is why I would want to go and see how they do things at a possible stud before sending my mare there. I doubt you will find more than a handful of TB studs anywhere which let their stallion(s) run with mares. Most of these stallions are just too valuable to risk a mare kicking them in a field. However, I could be wrong. If you find a place which does, I'd be very keen to know about it. Good luck!
