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Subject : Cost of treating sarcoids
From : Karon
Date : 15.04.05 12:50:00 AM
I'm going to have my vet look at Rasheeka's sarcoids, as she has some that have grown, and the vet mentioned using the cream from Dr Knottenbolt (sp!?). Does anyone have experience of using that, and any idea of the cost? I realise it'll be 5 visits from my vet which is fine, the practice is good at keeping the cost down for me as they know how much I've had to pay out for major problems in the past 6 months or so. I don't know how much the cream is likely to cost. I just hope it works!
Subject : re:- Cost of treating sarcoids
From : Nick
Date : 15.04.05 1:15:00 PM
I pretty sure the cream was cheap, it was the visits and the cost of the application of the cream which mounted up. It worked for my mare but made a real mess to start with. Because her sarcoids were just above the coronet band it got infected and really sore. It left a large hole which the vet assured me must have been all sarcoid and burnt down to the tendon sheath. It has left two large scars of chestnut type material. However she doesn't have any sarcoids at the minute (touch wood)
Subject : re:- Cost of treating sarcoids
From : Karon
Date : 15.04.05 1:41:00 PM
Sounds horrible! I need the vet to see how bad they are first, but luckily they are all in fleshy areas which are fairly easy to get to. Maybe the vet will suggest something else :-) Mind you she did suggest radiation treatment - you'd think with my tatty car etc, she'd realise I don't have that sort of money!
Subject : re:- Cost of treating sarcoids
From : Lizzie
Date : 15.04.05 1:54:00 PM
I'm just going through the exact same treatment for my horse using Liverpool Cream.
All I can say is get in WRITING from your vet the costs!!!!
I asked them how much it would be in total and they said maximum £400 but probably much less. Do you know what it's come to so far?
Over £600 and he still needs visits!
The vets had the cheek to charge me £58 pounds for just applying the cream (4 mins max it took them!)
After a lot of wrangling they have now said I only need to pay £400 plus VAT for it. The cream itself was £86.00. I can't claim on insurance for sarcoids :-(
Anyways, it is extrememly nasty stuff and after the 2nd visit the horse is really feeling the effects of it and mine needed sedating before he'd let the vet near. He seemed really uncomfortable afterwards as I believe it has a feeling of burning and itching when applied.
It seems to be working though but will take another couple of weeks to notice a big difference!
I really would get them treated now though before the flies start coming out as they can really infect the sarcoid wound when it opens up!
Subject : re:- Cost of treating sarcoids
From : JustineJ
Date : 15.04.05 2:21:00 PM
I'm pretty sure the cream alone cost me over £100. Partner is a vet so that came pretty cheaply luckily but he was charging full visits then...
Subject : re:- Cost of treating sarcoids
From :
Date : 15.04.05 2:22:00 PM
sorry, that should have said if he was charging full visits then...
Subject : re:- Cost of treating sarcoids
From : Karon
Date : 15.04.05 2:26:00 PM
Cheers, the vet is coming otu to have a look first next week so I'll amke sure I ask her then how much it'll cost.
Lizzie - how come yours has come to so much already? Would I be better off asking about other treatments first? I don't want to leave it until the flies start to get bad, as I'm sure that won't help and she probably will feel uncomfortable then.
Subject : re:- Cost of treating sarcoids
From : Sharon
Date : 15.04.05 2:33:00 PM
There is a company called Geota who are trialling at the moment a new sarcoid treatment.
The only cost involved, if your horse is excepted is a vet visit to confirm the type of sarcoid.
My vet was unwilling to confirm the type my horse has without doing a sample of the sarcoid meaning a GA at £100.00 plus the rest, so about £200.00 in all, plus the worry of a surgical incision and the risk of it spreading.
I am still hoping he will be able to try this new treatment.
Why not try calling them?
01869 349813, ask for Loretta, their website is www.geota.co.uk
I think that your horse has to have either just one or a few of the same type of sarcoids to be used in the trial
Subject : re:- Cost of treating sarcoids
From : Lizzie
Date : 15.04.05 2:47:00 PM
meant to say they charged me £58 for each application so that is 5 x £58 for applying the cream alone!!! rest was vet visits 3 x £37 and 2 x £57 as they fell on a bank holiday. £86.00 for the cream (they can charge more or less depending on how many sarcoids your horse has), £25 for antibiotics, £10 for bute, £40 for taking photo's and emailing them to Derek Knottenbelt, two further check up vists £80 ... PLUS VAT of course!!!!!
Other options - lady at my yard had her horse treated with essential oils/aromatherapy. Lady comes out and does assessment on your horse and make up a remedy for you horse to take in his feed and some more to apply topically to the sarcoids. It worked fine apparently. Lady treats the cause as well as the symptoms. I can get the number for her for you if you want?
Or there's Camrosa which you can put on yourself without having to get a vet to do it like you do with liverpool cream
Or one called Xterra which is quite new.
Are your horses ones nodular or verrucous (sp) ?
Subject : re:- Cost of treating sarcoids
From :
Date : 15.04.05 2:52:00 PM
At the risk of being attacked by an extemely 'anti' anon by mentioning this on the DG.....
My horse had sarcoids, medical removal, then cryosurgery when they grew back. then they grew back again, just when he was out of insurance.
I tried Camrosa ointment (and before anti-anon comes in saying it is lethal stuff - like anything it doesnt agree with everyone!) It worked a miracle and the vet was gobsmacked. They have threatend to come back a couple of times since, and each time I have applied Camrosa they have gone again. It was actually recommeded in the help page of a current horsey mag (could have been horse & rider, cant find it at the moment) as worth a try!
They have a website so have a look (should find it on Google!)
I can only speak as I find - and really Camrosa saved my boys life. The one between his back legs was agressive, huge, and was affecting his action. He was so traumatised by the general anesthetic the vet was talking about pts.
Subject : re:- Cost of treating sarcoids
From : Lizzie
Date : 15.04.05 3:04:00 PM
That's the trouble with having them cut out - they nearly always come back and are usually more agressive. Most vets are now very anti surgery on sarcoids.
I reckon Camrosa is a very good place to start being a much cheaper option and has worked well on various sarcoids in the past.
I should have reall tried this method but was coerced into the liverpool treatment by the vet! Now I know why!!!
Subject : re:- Cost of treating sarcoids
From : Karon
Date : 15.04.05 3:05:00 PM
Thanks again :-) Will mention Camrosa to the vet - Rash isn't keen on vets after having an accident as a yearling so the fewer the visits the better anyway. Lizzie - the phone number of the woman who treats with essential oils would be great, thanks. I think I'll double check with my vet how much each visit and application will cost me - £58 a time is amazing! Mind you my vet normally charges around £20 for a visit and inspection which is cheaper than yours to start with.
Think I'll plead poverty :-) What's really annoying is I also need to get some x-rays done on my laminitic - so what's to take priority, the sarcoids or the x-rays on a recovering horse?
Neither is insured - and certainly the laminitic is uninsurable anyway so the cost of paying for her would fall to me anyway.
Subject : re:- Cost of treating sarcoids
From :
Date : 15.04.05 3:18:00 PM
You don't have to buy camrosa through the vets. Do a search for it on the web and you can order it online.
Subject : re:- Cost of treating sarcoids
From : Karon
Date : 15.04.05 3:19:00 PM
Just found Camrosa online, it sounds as if it's worth a try. Anon 2.52 - how long did it take for it to make a difference to your horse?
Subject : re:- Cost of treating sarcoids
From : anon at 2.52
Date : 15.04.05 3:21:00 PM
I would definitely try the Camrosa - my vet started recommending it following my boys experience.
The sarcoid he had between his back legs was not identifiable as such initially. It was just an ever increasing growth under the skin which interfered with his movement and which you could grab hold of and move around. Vet had to do an exploratory op and send it away to see what it was. Turned out to be a rare type of sarcoid. He also had 2 'ordinary' sarcoids on his chest - and then loads appeared over his sheath area - first seemed like warts and they grew overnight virtually.
The 'rare' one came back twice as big within a month, but the cryosurgery did get it - although it took literally months to heal because of the position.
The 'ordinary' ones, despite cryosurgery, just kept coming back big-time until using Camrosa. This was 3 years ago now, and I dont think I would still have him if it wasnt for Camrosa. The sarcoids seem to be more likely to re-occur at the end of May for some reason - so I have to be vigilant, with Camrosa at the ready (its actually good for all sorts of things)
Good luck!
Subject : re:- Cost of treating sarcoids
From : Wendy
Date : 15.04.05 3:27:00 PM
Crystal had three small warty sarcoids in her girth area when she was a 2yo - so about 4 years ago. She had cytotoxic cream treatment and the total cost was about £200. That included: vet coming and taking digital photos of sarcoids to send to Liverpool Uni, the cream itself, all the visits and the application of the cream and VAT. She wasn't a complicated case, though. She showed very little adverse reaction to the cream, hardly any discomfort and the sarcoids just scabbed over and dropped off. There was clear pink skin underneath, no scarring and the hair grew back quickly. Touch wood, they've never re-occured. That was with Hale Veterinary Group in Chippenham (Peter Hatherall was the attending vet - lovely bloke - wish I could import him to France! LOL).
Subject : re:- Cost of treating sarcoids
From : anon at 2.52
Date : 15.04.05 3:42:00 PM
Karon, you must've posted when I was typing.
The ones on his chest and elbow that had had cryosurgery went dormant over the winter - then come May they suddenly started to grow and weep (yuk). The one at his elbow was really difficult as it was agrivated by exercise and split open (there was literally a hole where the skin had opened up that you could've lost your finger in!) At the same time his sheath suddenly become smothered in warts - some of which rapidly turned into sarcoids. I spoke to the vet who was very worried and said we might loose him, and was suggesting more cryosurgery. He is now so terrified of anyone vet-like - and needles, that he literally shakes all over and becomes very stressed, so things were looking grim.
I decided to try Camrosa, as had nothing to loose.
You need to read and follow the instruction booklet carefully. They said there could be swelling initially and not to panic. On his sheath it was swollen for a couple of days - then it was okay again. The wart-like ones on his sheath literally dropped off within a week - I would never have believed it if I hadnt seen it for myself. 3 or 4 were much bigger, and they took several weeks - but you could see them shrinking, and you could also see that the Camrosa was attacking them at the root.
The ones on his chest shrank and healed over in 3 or 4 weeks. The one at his elbow was more difficult as it was constantly under stress every time he walked - and we are talking about literally a hole! I packed it with Camrosa, and it started to improved straight away - although it took nearly 3 months before it was properly healed (quite quick really, given the severity of the problem, and the position)
I have used Camrosa on wounds too. My youngster tried to jump an electric fence and the neighbours wire fence beyond it. He ripped his back legs very badly. I smothered them in Camrosa, and just kept them greased with it. He healed without a mark. My farrier saw him just after and is amazed there is no scarring or dead hair white marks (he is black)
There have been people on this board who are very anti-Camrosa when it has been mentioned before (hence my first post) and of course anyone can be allergic to anything - look at the recent posts on avon sss - but for me it has been a miracle and a lifesaver. I am never without a pot now! I did think about the expensive vet-applied cream as mentioned earlier - but to be honest, that sounds pretty lethal stuff, so tried the Camrosa first.
Post how you get on
From : Karon
Date : 15.04.05 12:50:00 AM
I'm going to have my vet look at Rasheeka's sarcoids, as she has some that have grown, and the vet mentioned using the cream from Dr Knottenbolt (sp!?). Does anyone have experience of using that, and any idea of the cost? I realise it'll be 5 visits from my vet which is fine, the practice is good at keeping the cost down for me as they know how much I've had to pay out for major problems in the past 6 months or so. I don't know how much the cream is likely to cost. I just hope it works!
Subject : re:- Cost of treating sarcoids
From : Nick
Date : 15.04.05 1:15:00 PM
I pretty sure the cream was cheap, it was the visits and the cost of the application of the cream which mounted up. It worked for my mare but made a real mess to start with. Because her sarcoids were just above the coronet band it got infected and really sore. It left a large hole which the vet assured me must have been all sarcoid and burnt down to the tendon sheath. It has left two large scars of chestnut type material. However she doesn't have any sarcoids at the minute (touch wood)
Subject : re:- Cost of treating sarcoids
From : Karon
Date : 15.04.05 1:41:00 PM
Sounds horrible! I need the vet to see how bad they are first, but luckily they are all in fleshy areas which are fairly easy to get to. Maybe the vet will suggest something else :-) Mind you she did suggest radiation treatment - you'd think with my tatty car etc, she'd realise I don't have that sort of money!
Subject : re:- Cost of treating sarcoids
From : Lizzie
Date : 15.04.05 1:54:00 PM
I'm just going through the exact same treatment for my horse using Liverpool Cream.
All I can say is get in WRITING from your vet the costs!!!!
I asked them how much it would be in total and they said maximum £400 but probably much less. Do you know what it's come to so far?
Over £600 and he still needs visits!
The vets had the cheek to charge me £58 pounds for just applying the cream (4 mins max it took them!)
After a lot of wrangling they have now said I only need to pay £400 plus VAT for it. The cream itself was £86.00. I can't claim on insurance for sarcoids :-(
Anyways, it is extrememly nasty stuff and after the 2nd visit the horse is really feeling the effects of it and mine needed sedating before he'd let the vet near. He seemed really uncomfortable afterwards as I believe it has a feeling of burning and itching when applied.
It seems to be working though but will take another couple of weeks to notice a big difference!
I really would get them treated now though before the flies start coming out as they can really infect the sarcoid wound when it opens up!
Subject : re:- Cost of treating sarcoids
From : JustineJ
Date : 15.04.05 2:21:00 PM
I'm pretty sure the cream alone cost me over £100. Partner is a vet so that came pretty cheaply luckily but he was charging full visits then...
Subject : re:- Cost of treating sarcoids
From :
Date : 15.04.05 2:22:00 PM
sorry, that should have said if he was charging full visits then...
Subject : re:- Cost of treating sarcoids
From : Karon
Date : 15.04.05 2:26:00 PM
Cheers, the vet is coming otu to have a look first next week so I'll amke sure I ask her then how much it'll cost.
Lizzie - how come yours has come to so much already? Would I be better off asking about other treatments first? I don't want to leave it until the flies start to get bad, as I'm sure that won't help and she probably will feel uncomfortable then.
Subject : re:- Cost of treating sarcoids
From : Sharon
Date : 15.04.05 2:33:00 PM
There is a company called Geota who are trialling at the moment a new sarcoid treatment.
The only cost involved, if your horse is excepted is a vet visit to confirm the type of sarcoid.
My vet was unwilling to confirm the type my horse has without doing a sample of the sarcoid meaning a GA at £100.00 plus the rest, so about £200.00 in all, plus the worry of a surgical incision and the risk of it spreading.
I am still hoping he will be able to try this new treatment.
Why not try calling them?
01869 349813, ask for Loretta, their website is www.geota.co.uk
I think that your horse has to have either just one or a few of the same type of sarcoids to be used in the trial
Subject : re:- Cost of treating sarcoids
From : Lizzie
Date : 15.04.05 2:47:00 PM
meant to say they charged me £58 for each application so that is 5 x £58 for applying the cream alone!!! rest was vet visits 3 x £37 and 2 x £57 as they fell on a bank holiday. £86.00 for the cream (they can charge more or less depending on how many sarcoids your horse has), £25 for antibiotics, £10 for bute, £40 for taking photo's and emailing them to Derek Knottenbelt, two further check up vists £80 ... PLUS VAT of course!!!!!
Other options - lady at my yard had her horse treated with essential oils/aromatherapy. Lady comes out and does assessment on your horse and make up a remedy for you horse to take in his feed and some more to apply topically to the sarcoids. It worked fine apparently. Lady treats the cause as well as the symptoms. I can get the number for her for you if you want?
Or there's Camrosa which you can put on yourself without having to get a vet to do it like you do with liverpool cream
Or one called Xterra which is quite new.
Are your horses ones nodular or verrucous (sp) ?
Subject : re:- Cost of treating sarcoids
From :
Date : 15.04.05 2:52:00 PM
At the risk of being attacked by an extemely 'anti' anon by mentioning this on the DG.....
My horse had sarcoids, medical removal, then cryosurgery when they grew back. then they grew back again, just when he was out of insurance.
I tried Camrosa ointment (and before anti-anon comes in saying it is lethal stuff - like anything it doesnt agree with everyone!) It worked a miracle and the vet was gobsmacked. They have threatend to come back a couple of times since, and each time I have applied Camrosa they have gone again. It was actually recommeded in the help page of a current horsey mag (could have been horse & rider, cant find it at the moment) as worth a try!
They have a website so have a look (should find it on Google!)
I can only speak as I find - and really Camrosa saved my boys life. The one between his back legs was agressive, huge, and was affecting his action. He was so traumatised by the general anesthetic the vet was talking about pts.
Subject : re:- Cost of treating sarcoids
From : Lizzie
Date : 15.04.05 3:04:00 PM
That's the trouble with having them cut out - they nearly always come back and are usually more agressive. Most vets are now very anti surgery on sarcoids.
I reckon Camrosa is a very good place to start being a much cheaper option and has worked well on various sarcoids in the past.
I should have reall tried this method but was coerced into the liverpool treatment by the vet! Now I know why!!!
Subject : re:- Cost of treating sarcoids
From : Karon
Date : 15.04.05 3:05:00 PM
Thanks again :-) Will mention Camrosa to the vet - Rash isn't keen on vets after having an accident as a yearling so the fewer the visits the better anyway. Lizzie - the phone number of the woman who treats with essential oils would be great, thanks. I think I'll double check with my vet how much each visit and application will cost me - £58 a time is amazing! Mind you my vet normally charges around £20 for a visit and inspection which is cheaper than yours to start with.
Think I'll plead poverty :-) What's really annoying is I also need to get some x-rays done on my laminitic - so what's to take priority, the sarcoids or the x-rays on a recovering horse?
Neither is insured - and certainly the laminitic is uninsurable anyway so the cost of paying for her would fall to me anyway.Subject : re:- Cost of treating sarcoids
From :
Date : 15.04.05 3:18:00 PM
You don't have to buy camrosa through the vets. Do a search for it on the web and you can order it online.
Subject : re:- Cost of treating sarcoids
From : Karon
Date : 15.04.05 3:19:00 PM
Just found Camrosa online, it sounds as if it's worth a try. Anon 2.52 - how long did it take for it to make a difference to your horse?
Subject : re:- Cost of treating sarcoids
From : anon at 2.52
Date : 15.04.05 3:21:00 PM
I would definitely try the Camrosa - my vet started recommending it following my boys experience.
The sarcoid he had between his back legs was not identifiable as such initially. It was just an ever increasing growth under the skin which interfered with his movement and which you could grab hold of and move around. Vet had to do an exploratory op and send it away to see what it was. Turned out to be a rare type of sarcoid. He also had 2 'ordinary' sarcoids on his chest - and then loads appeared over his sheath area - first seemed like warts and they grew overnight virtually.
The 'rare' one came back twice as big within a month, but the cryosurgery did get it - although it took literally months to heal because of the position.
The 'ordinary' ones, despite cryosurgery, just kept coming back big-time until using Camrosa. This was 3 years ago now, and I dont think I would still have him if it wasnt for Camrosa. The sarcoids seem to be more likely to re-occur at the end of May for some reason - so I have to be vigilant, with Camrosa at the ready (its actually good for all sorts of things)
Good luck!
Subject : re:- Cost of treating sarcoids
From : Wendy
Date : 15.04.05 3:27:00 PM
Crystal had three small warty sarcoids in her girth area when she was a 2yo - so about 4 years ago. She had cytotoxic cream treatment and the total cost was about £200. That included: vet coming and taking digital photos of sarcoids to send to Liverpool Uni, the cream itself, all the visits and the application of the cream and VAT. She wasn't a complicated case, though. She showed very little adverse reaction to the cream, hardly any discomfort and the sarcoids just scabbed over and dropped off. There was clear pink skin underneath, no scarring and the hair grew back quickly. Touch wood, they've never re-occured. That was with Hale Veterinary Group in Chippenham (Peter Hatherall was the attending vet - lovely bloke - wish I could import him to France! LOL).
Subject : re:- Cost of treating sarcoids
From : anon at 2.52
Date : 15.04.05 3:42:00 PM
Karon, you must've posted when I was typing.
The ones on his chest and elbow that had had cryosurgery went dormant over the winter - then come May they suddenly started to grow and weep (yuk). The one at his elbow was really difficult as it was agrivated by exercise and split open (there was literally a hole where the skin had opened up that you could've lost your finger in!) At the same time his sheath suddenly become smothered in warts - some of which rapidly turned into sarcoids. I spoke to the vet who was very worried and said we might loose him, and was suggesting more cryosurgery. He is now so terrified of anyone vet-like - and needles, that he literally shakes all over and becomes very stressed, so things were looking grim.
I decided to try Camrosa, as had nothing to loose.
You need to read and follow the instruction booklet carefully. They said there could be swelling initially and not to panic. On his sheath it was swollen for a couple of days - then it was okay again. The wart-like ones on his sheath literally dropped off within a week - I would never have believed it if I hadnt seen it for myself. 3 or 4 were much bigger, and they took several weeks - but you could see them shrinking, and you could also see that the Camrosa was attacking them at the root.
The ones on his chest shrank and healed over in 3 or 4 weeks. The one at his elbow was more difficult as it was constantly under stress every time he walked - and we are talking about literally a hole! I packed it with Camrosa, and it started to improved straight away - although it took nearly 3 months before it was properly healed (quite quick really, given the severity of the problem, and the position)
I have used Camrosa on wounds too. My youngster tried to jump an electric fence and the neighbours wire fence beyond it. He ripped his back legs very badly. I smothered them in Camrosa, and just kept them greased with it. He healed without a mark. My farrier saw him just after and is amazed there is no scarring or dead hair white marks (he is black)
There have been people on this board who are very anti-Camrosa when it has been mentioned before (hence my first post) and of course anyone can be allergic to anything - look at the recent posts on avon sss - but for me it has been a miracle and a lifesaver. I am never without a pot now! I did think about the expensive vet-applied cream as mentioned earlier - but to be honest, that sounds pretty lethal stuff, so tried the Camrosa first.
Post how you get on