Close breeding? Would this pair be too close?

[joto]

very well put janetgeorge

[janetgeorge]

megnum said:

The potential father would be bazaars texas out of ID mare,

Mmmm ... he's a nice looking horse - but he's definitely got a fugly gene somewhere! Here's the proof:

And the mare has another foal by another stallion who is a stunner!

[megnum]

oh no Bazaars Texas is father of potential stallion so they share the same great grandfather sorry I thought that I said that in a previous post I must have confused it all sorry the potential father is only young so it would be at least a year or 2 before we would consider breeding

[suewhitmore]

janetgeorge said:

True outcross stallions are like hen's teeth!
THAT is the real danger of in-breeding!

Unfortuantely, if you want hybrid vigour in a manufactured breed, where the line breeding has been carried out to stamp a type, then you have to cross breed. This is one of the reasons why 8th generation part bred TBs (that is, only one out cross back in the 8th gen) are re-admitted to the general stud book and how we have managed to get a *coloured* (bay overo) TB stallion over here. It may also be the downfall of the completely closed Lusitano stud book.

[janetgeorge]

suewhitmore said:

Unfortuantely, if you want hybrid vigour in a manufactured breed, where the line breeding has been carried out to stamp a type, then you have to cross breed.

ALL breeds are 'manufactured' - and if you cross-breed a pure-bred it rather defeats the object of breeding pure-breds, doesn't it. Which is why in-breeding should be avoided like the plague if you're breeding pure-breds.

If you're breeding a sport horse type that's going to be gelded, then I guess it only matters if one of those nasty recessives turns up - or if the stallion you're getting a double dose of happened to have a dodgy temperament or a weakness elsewhere!

[suewhitmore]

Not all breeds- well types- *are* manufactured. There are some very distinct genetic groups, and then all the crosses. There are some types that are really ancient distinct lines. Do you want some links to the research?

[geeup]

theres so much inbreeding nowadys anyway, or maybe it was pure fluke that my latest dobbin has the same great grandfather as my previous one! One came form ireland, the other form wales.

[janetgeorge]

suewhitmore said:

Not all breeds- well types- *are* manufactured. There are some very distinct genetic groups, and then all the crosses. There are some types that are really ancient distinct lines. Do you want some links to the research?

Not really - it's irrelevent for the purposes of this discussion and certainly to the original post.

But I stand by the point that ALL breeds/types are 'manufactured' to some degree - either by deliberate acts - or a a chance result of man's interaction with horses and the environment they live in.

Those that survive more or less 'intact' - have only done so through man's intervention e.g. Przewalski's Horse - although admittedly it only became extinct in the wild through man's 'intervention' too.

But would YOU want to cross a valuable pure-bred mare with one of them???

[suewhitmore]

Well, it might be a bit difficult with Przewalskis, they have a different gene number.

There are no wild horses, all horses alive today are the result of domestication at some point in the past, but there are many breeds still extant that are still the remnants of the indigenous, *naturally* selected population. These breeds are largely found in Asia. They haven't been preserved by "intervention" in the way przewalskis and exmoor have, but by utilisation.

[indibindi]

I like Tex. He's lovely. Got a nice temperament.
I think you need to ask yourself what you would be breeding her for really... what you would do with the foal.