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Post by wozzer on Jan 1, 2008 21:02:31 GMT 1
Guilty!
But then my defense is that I am trying to understand them. Horses are clever as we know, and I will always remember Kelly's quote "every time you are with your horse you are teaching him" (or something like that, LOL!). It is so true. I also think sometimes our horses try and teach us!!!!!!
I also think they try to communicate with us. When they get it right and we understand, sometimes they take this a bit further, as in "oh, I can make you move away if I want".
We always need to establish ourselves as the leader and if our horse challenges that position, up the energy.
A little example of something I over-analysed yesterday?
I had turned Enebro out, and went straight back to the stables to fetch Lincoln. When I returned with Lincoln, Enebro didn't want to move away from the gate as he was kind of eager for Lincoln to come in and play. I had to shoo Enebro away from the gate, you know make myself big etc LOL! Enebro totally ignored me, so I really had to up my "energy" to send him away from the gate. It worked but Enebro looked quite surprised at this raving loony his mum had become!
Then I saw Enebro watching me from the gate instead of playing. He was so shocked I had made him move LOL! He was doing the "do you still love me mum, cos I'm confused" look !!!! I went over and petted him, then he went off to play ;D
Now there's me over-analysing. Sherb - you tell me your version of this story!!!! xx
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Post by Cheryl Walmsley on Jan 1, 2008 21:06:07 GMT 1
Same here Vic!!
Wozzer, is it possible his "do you still love mum, i'm confused" face, could be, like.....i don't know, maybe, an itchy eyebrow or something?? Is his forelock pretty long?? He he, overanalysation to the max!!!!!
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Post by jes on Jan 1, 2008 21:08:42 GMT 1
Oh I'm terrible for this. If I'm not careful I end up analysing everything to death and then get so confused and change my mind so many times that I end up not being to remember what the original problem was. Like Phoenix eats his hay really fast has almost choked a couple of times, so YO suggested getting a trawler net for him with really small holes, then I read something about how all the tugging and pulling at a haynet can be bad for their backs and necks and they can build up all the wrong muscles, so I started looking at how much it would cost to get a haybar, then I went back to the fact that this wouldn't slow him down at all, in fact he'd be able to eat his hay even faster and then would probably choke and if he didn't choke it wouldn't last him all night anyway and he's already getting two nets per night, so I'm back to using a normal haylage net again and am going to get his teeth checked. See, all I had to do was think, I'll get his teeth checked. Oh well!
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Post by Cheryl Walmsley on Jan 1, 2008 21:12:59 GMT 1
that's exactly what i'm talking about Jes!!!!!!!!
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Post by Vic on Jan 1, 2008 21:15:28 GMT 1
I'm having to try not to get too in to the thread because it will start me off analysing as well....i wish my brain had an off switch!!!
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Post by mudlark on Jan 1, 2008 21:27:35 GMT 1
I had this recently with a pony who suddenly decided to argue about picking his feet up. I went into problem solving mode and tried to break it down into stages for him, extending his comfort zone etc, but he was still dancing about randomly. In the end growled 'oh for god's sake stop p!ssing about!' and he picked his feet up like a lamb...
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Post by june on Jan 1, 2008 21:38:38 GMT 1
Looks like you're on the same wavelength as Pippa Funnell then sherbertdip!
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Post by june on Jan 1, 2008 21:44:48 GMT 1
I guess the way to look at it is analysing the problem is worthwhile but while you're analysing it you can still try various things to fix it.
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Post by rhillahorse on Jan 1, 2008 21:46:44 GMT 1
I am so guilty of this. Every little thing has to be analysed and a plan put into place.
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Post by jen1 on Jan 1, 2008 21:55:14 GMT 1
paralysis by analysis is what we call it,cant remeber who quoted it, you usually end up doing nothing, there nothing wrong looking deeply at things as long as you know what to do about it, the more i know the more i knew nothing!
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Post by misty on Jan 1, 2008 21:57:05 GMT 1
I totally agree and hand stuff like this to my o/h. He doesn't do analysis but uses common sense in a practical way. I do the intuition bit. We were out riding with a friend at one time in the forest on a sandy track. We were going quite slowly and her horse went down on his knees and started to roll. We yelled at her to kick him up but she jumped off and just managed to stop the horse rolling. Sorry to say we did chuckle. You could see from the horses body language that he was going to do it, but she couldn't sense it. The outcome was that she spents £'s with the vet determined that there was going to be something wrong when the horse did it 'cos he knew he could! Let common sense prevail so we know when we need to get the experts in.
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Post by jen1 on Jan 1, 2008 21:57:23 GMT 1
also just to add, that you say niel jumped back the simple answer is thats how sherbs shake you off, OR DID,lol
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Post by jen1 on Jan 1, 2008 22:03:03 GMT 1
Same here Vic!! Wozzer, is it possible his "do you still love mum, i'm confused" face, could be, like.....i don't know, maybe, an itchy eyebrow or something?? Is his forelock pretty long?? He he, overanalysation to the max!!!!! from the words of steve half penny that horse dosnt love you! its very true, a horse needs a herd leader, to think that a horse loves you is a parasitc relationship and not the symbiotic one we all strive for,
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Post by june on Jan 1, 2008 22:09:50 GMT 1
You'll have to explain that one jen1. How is a horse loving you a parasitic relationship? In a parasitic relationship the parasite gains and the host loses. I don't understand how the host loses if the horse loves them.
BTW, I don't think horses do love their owners either but that's a different topic.
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Post by lolamae on Jan 1, 2008 22:33:44 GMT 1
I under analyse probably.
I guess like everyone, I go along the same route of:
Tack/equipment fitting? Physical problems? Fix it.
Does the horse understand? Is it scared?
Then I go from there. If a horse doesn't understand what I am asking then I teach him.
If he is scared then we get unscared.
If something kicks or bites with intent then they will find that I will return the favour, just as any boss horse will do.
I deleted the first time, actually, now I am going to say it........
Taking the mickey..........forget it. All I ask is probably an hour of their time now and then, I expect manners and in return they receive the same courtesy.
If they take the p, as my Haffy does, then sorry, but he gets told off, and yes, a wallop if the occasion warrants for being a pratt, a light hearted buck etc is acceptable, napping and leaping about dangerously is not. He is a primarily a childs pony so bad manners are just not on at all, and he knows that. They can be as obnoxious as they like for the other 23 hours a day.......wish you could reason with a horse and explain just who it is that caters to their every whim and puts dinner on their table.
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