cokey
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Post by cokey on Jan 3, 2007 11:22:41 GMT 1
I think that was what Kas was saying, azura, that just because you haven't been on the courses or got the letters, doesn't mean you're inexperienced.
AFAIK kas doesn't have any letters after her name, but I respect her judgement more than most of those that do, because she's "got the T-Shirt" with problem horses, and still knows enough to know that she doesn't know it all. If she doesn't know what to do, she'll ask for opinions.
I don't have any letters after my name, but I know that I'm prob better at handling tricky horses than most AIs or similar, because I've done it so often. That's not to say that I am better than them, or know more than them - I've probably just experienced more than them, and that counts for a lot in my book.
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Post by azura on Jan 3, 2007 11:59:51 GMT 1
So my Question on whether i was considered inexperience because i do not have letters after my name either was not directed at Kas but too others. I think she is dead right, i was trying to point out that it is not always possible to do these courses, but you still can have alot of experience. I would certainly be the first to say i am still learning, and i lack confidence when riding, even though i am complement on it and that every horse you deal with teaches you something, more than any book or clinic can and I'm sure the RA's would agree with that. Cokey i am sure you and kas are very Knowledgeable. I think that there is one thing to remember about giving advise and that is many people may not have the facilities that you have available, doing something in a muddy field could be dangerous, when doing the same thing in a school could be perfectly safe.
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Post by kas on Jan 3, 2007 16:52:19 GMT 1
I think we're agreeing with each other. But bearing in mind about facilities available is sort of part of my other point - the people reading the ideas and advice need to use their common sense. You can pick up ideas on how to do things all over the place, and even if it's someone with loads of experience, who has letters after their name, does demos or writes books - you still need to exercise a bit of intelligence about whether you should do the same thing. (My facilities are a muddy field btw ;D). p.s. Thank you Cokey x
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Post by cokey on Jan 3, 2007 18:27:04 GMT 1
You're very welcome Kas! And my facilities extend to a field with a home built grass roundpen too! Oh for a school......
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Post by katefox1812 on Jan 3, 2007 21:24:00 GMT 1
Interesting thread! I think if one reads the original post carefully, it is clear that Liz is not saying that only RAs are qualified to give advice, nor that ordinary folk with no letters after their names should not make suggestions based on their own experience. She is merely saying that when giving advice on a public forum, one should at least take a moment to consider the level of skill/experience/ability of the person one is advising, and when in doubt, assume that they might well be a complete novice, and tailor or qualify the advice accordingly. And do not advise people to do things that may be downright dangerous, either for themselves or for the horse. I think the crucial point that has been made is that there is a big difference between saying "What you should do is..." and saying "A method that has worked for me is..." or "A method I have read about is..." Even the great Monty himself writes about lassooing a crazy stallion he was faced with at a join-up demonstration: I'm sure he does not intend his readers to adopt this method the next time they encounter a difficult or unruly horse! But on that occasion it worked for him, and it's fine for him to write about it. Same goes on here - just make it clear that you are recounting an experience or describing a method you have used or witnessed or read about, rather than proposing a solution to someone who may not have the necessary skills. I have to say that the 'people with letters after their name' (whether those letters be BHSI or RA or PhD or whatever) who most impress me are those who are open-minded - those who do not think that because they have X qualifications or have handled X-hundred horses they automatically know everything, and who are willing to listen and keen to learn from others. Surely that's what this forum should be about? Surely we can all learn from each other? I would hope that even very experienced DGers, and even RAs, would not be too proud to admit to picking up some useful tips from this forum...
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Post by cubic on Jan 4, 2007 0:04:17 GMT 1
When attempting to insert an intravenous needle into a horse I have found that it helped if I brushed the horse with a dandy brush at the same time. The repetition and stimulation of the brush seemed to distract the horse's attention or simply kept his nerve endings busy/confused and the vet was able to inject a normally fractious horse very easily. You're right. The transmission of pain and pressure are transmitted down the same nerve fibres, this is why the method works - the same priciple as when you stub your toe and 'rub it better'.
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Post by scatcat on Jan 5, 2007 0:27:33 GMT 1
intersting. so can somebody please explain what is the difference between an RA & a MRPCH?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 5, 2007 9:05:05 GMT 1
An RA is a Recommended Associate of Intelligent Horsemanship. They are the ones who have studied with IH, passed the exams and have sufficient ability and experience for Kelly to feel she can recommend them to others.
MRPCH is the Monty Roberts Preliminiary Certificate of Horsemanship. To obtain this, you need to attend the level 1 courses, practice your skills in join up and working with horses more generally to the extent that you can submit video evidence of your competence in working with a starter (role play) and with loading/leading a more difficult horse. There is then a week of theoretical and practical assessment. If you pass, you obtain the certificate. It usually takes at least 2 years to get to this point. It's hard work, which is why we don't hide what we've achieved!
Between the two, it is practice, practice, practice, watching horses, watching people with horses, reading books, just learning all the time.
So the RAs are people who have already satisfied Kelly they can be recommended by IH to work with other's horses, the MRPCH holders have just done the foundation to that. Some go on to become RAs, others go on to other avenues of horse work. In this context, I'd say that this does put the RA's advice on a different footing. This is not necessarily true of the MRPCH holders. All it means is that we have invested in studying the IH way of working with horses and are making progress.
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Post by scatcat on Jan 5, 2007 9:10:35 GMT 1
thank you Liz for explaining the difference.
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Post by thearab on Jan 5, 2007 10:10:31 GMT 1
I have watched as a guest for a while before I decided to join.
I have just caught up with this tread INTERESTING on 2 points.
1) Sedation. I had a pony that got out (because someone CUT the fence) and no one would come and help us (the pony was wild and very frightened) the only think my vet said was to put some sedation in her feed so that we could get near her.That was eight years ago.
2) The numbers of letter that people have / want after their name and the explanation of what MRPCH & RA is.
Will continue to watch the treads with interest.
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Post by rj on Jan 5, 2007 12:05:49 GMT 1
I've read it all, in one go, phew, & I would say that 2 points immediately come to mind:
1) Some people will only read into anything what they WANT to!! Latching onto specifics that jump out at them & not looking at the whole picture perhaps?
2) Perhaps there ought to be an equal onus on those ASKING for help?
Liz's OP was extremely valid, but we all have to remember that we are no more & no less than a group of folk who mostly don't know each other very well, if at all, meeting up in a virtual tack-room to exchange info. Luckily we d have some very knowledgeable & experienced folk - some with letters, some without - in this particular 'yard'.
I wouldn't stop a stranger out riding or whilst in the local feed-shop & ask for advice about something important to do with my horse: Would you?!
From experience, I'd say we often ask for advice but then wait til someone says what we wanted to hear, or which confirms our own feelings.
And it can also help to read a response which makes you strongly feel that it ISN'T right for you.
There are certain posters who make comments occasionally, often, or always, that I feel are not written with neither the wish nor the experience to be helpful, and I can decide to disregard them, thereby risking missing the occasional pearl of wisdom which might be just what I needed.
There was someone at the first ever yard I was on, when approached for help as apparently the most knowledgeable there, looked at my horses leg & said 'Oh, I think you'll find that's ringbone'. I was in floods but as the vet was already booked I soon heard her first words which were 'hmm, not sure what it is, but at least I can tell it's not ringbone' Livery was actually malicious I found out after a while, not just mistaken as I had charitably assumed at the time. That sort of person exists though I wasn't aware til I got my first horse!
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