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Post by ☼ WIZARD ☼ on Dec 31, 2005 18:26:51 GMT 1
if i dont poo pick the mudded area around the haylage what will happen? will it mulch in and dissappear as its very difficult to get it up from this area as it has already been stood in and mushed up . just wondered if anyone has left it and what happened thanks
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Post by kas on Dec 31, 2005 18:38:02 GMT 1
Ah cloppy - the sky falls in ;D Seriously, I know what you mean. I've got some of these muddy patches and there's no way you can scrape them clean. I just take up what I can and leave the rest to fate and a good worming/worm counts routine.
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Post by ☼ WIZARD ☼ on Dec 31, 2005 18:44:28 GMT 1
ha kas if the sky falls in im off to tell the king. thanks for you view though
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Post by izzy on Dec 31, 2005 18:48:52 GMT 1
we do the same as kas nightmare today after all that snow
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Post by kas on Dec 31, 2005 18:53:20 GMT 1
LOL cloppy. I really hate seeing it all such a mess but I realised I just had to give up the fight. In 6 months time we won't know it was there I suppose. I seem to remember that once the poo is spread about the worms don't survive anyway? Not 100% sure about that, but I expect someone else will enlighten us.
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Post by anon on Dec 31, 2005 19:15:43 GMT 1
if the poo is spread IN THE SUMMER - the worms will be killed off in a few days.
Any worms from your poached area will travel - if they travel onto the haylage, they will be picked up by the horses
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Post by kas on Dec 31, 2005 19:29:24 GMT 1
Luckily for me this isn't my feed area. I have the hay on hardstanding or out in the field where it doesn't get muddy. Useful info anon, worth bearing in mind for sure. What's the answer then? We sure as heck can't sieve the poo out every day... In my case it's a relatively small problem, I just have a couple of patches of churned mud where they like to leave horse apples. The rest is on the field, which isn't poached and quite easy to rake up.
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Post by ☼ WIZARD ☼ on Dec 31, 2005 20:00:28 GMT 1
thanks anon thats made my mind up
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Post by laura on Dec 31, 2005 20:03:31 GMT 1
weeeelllllllllllllllll
there are experts out there .... Gill where are you (does the worm count service) but my experience is
we certainly , either in the yard or in the poached bits, never get every single scrap of poo. We do not use chemical wormers but worm herbally ...... and do worm counts. This last year only one horse out of four has had anything other than a negligible count ( and that was the newest one that was sky high when she joined the herd at the herd and we had got down to low this year.)
Now whether this is down to the effectiveness of the herbal wormer or our fairly effective poo picking ............ or whether worms would have becaome a problem had we not herbal wormed..... mmmmmmm not really mu8ch help there then LOL
I for one would not worry unduly about any poo that escapes because it is trodden in .... however I would prob remove soiled haylage .... they are highly unlikely to eat it anyway !!!
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Post by fin on Dec 31, 2005 21:17:51 GMT 1
You could put rubber mats down--not cheap, but very easy to keep clean
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Post by sarak on Dec 31, 2005 22:42:48 GMT 1
I posted a similar thread to this a few months ago. I use a wooden hay feeder for my horse, and the area around this is becoming very poached and muddy, and it is hard to remove all the droppings thoroughly.
I plan to fence the area off once the spring arrives and the ground starts to dry off - but wonder how long to rest the area to ensure no chance of worms being present. However, as we always have a worm count with very low results, I doubt if there are any worms, but just want to be sure.
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Post by jill on Dec 31, 2005 22:58:38 GMT 1
I am just wondering whether we aren't getting a bit paranoid about worms in pasture? Surely if we have a good worming programme, with a product that kills the parasites, rather than just expels them, and keep it up, there will be nothing in the droppings in the way of parasites to contaminate the pasture? I have said in another thread that I poo pick to stop the formation of rank long grass, but I don't do it at this time of year - far too little time in daylight, and impossible to separate poo from mud. I'm sure someone will put me straight, but I have never poo picked all 13 acres (if anyone wants to they are more than welcome) and have never had a problem that could be attributable to worms or any form of parasite. Modern wormers are far superior to the old ones and as I undrstand it not only kill any adults and larva present but continue to do so far a lengthy period of time, which equates to the interval between worming. I can understand if you prefer to use herbal wormers or something that does just expel them, then keeping paddocks clean may be a bit more essential but quite frankly, life's too short and my horses do not suffer from a worm burden.
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Post by samcspottyhorses on Jan 1, 2006 0:34:28 GMT 1
Horses won't eat grass near poo hence the grass is left to grow long. And they tend to have 'toilet' areas. We never poo-picked when I was young - considered far to time comsuming and mucky. We were too busy cantering round the fields and making jumps in the woods and stuff.
How do I get my horse's worm count done?
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Post by KoLaTo on Jan 1, 2006 1:50:36 GMT 1
sam - contact westgate laboratories if you want worm counts done, there are other companies as well that do it or you can buy your own kit for £10 per horse from most feed stores that sell wormers. Agree with the lack of poo picking when I was younger as well, we just didn't do it for some reason and the adults didn't either and I don't remember anyone ever having any worm problems.
Do we think that the worm problem is now worse than say 20 years ago or are we just more aware?
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Post by mandal on Jan 1, 2006 14:39:31 GMT 1
samcspottyhorses worm count
You can get the count done by your vet or I use Westgate Laboratories ltd. email westgatelabs@hotmail.com It's a postal service they will send you out a collection kit and then email you the results and/or post them to you with a new kit for next time. Cost £9.50 per sample for 1-4 horses. It's a great service.
You still need to use vet to check for tape worm as it's a blood test.
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